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0647, 17 Sep 20

Another Iconic Wisconsin Business Closes Due to Evers’ Shutdown

What a shame.

WISCONSIN DELLS, Wis. — After nearly seven decades, the Tommy Bartlett Show in Wisconsin Dells announced Wednesday it will close permanently due to business losses during the pandemic.

In April, the owners of the water-ski, sky and stage show made the decision to close its attraction this summer due to restrictions on large gatherings.

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“Uncertainty is the biggest detriment to business,” said Diehl. “You can’t make a decision because you’ve been here 54 years and the show’s been here 69 years. You can’t make a decision (on that), it has to be based on probability of success. And to me there was zero probability going forward.”

The company made the announcement in a press release Wednesday morning.

“From May through September 6, we experienced a complete loss of revenue when we had to cancel our 2020 summer season on Lake Delton due to the pandemic. Each fall, we begin to plan for the next season, and with so much uncertainty surrounding the future of the pandemic and travel, we cannot undergo additional financial risk and investment to begin planning for summer 2021.

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0647, 17 September 2020

193 Comments

  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    Evers killed the Dells.

    Let Democrats be forever tied to that millstone around their neck.

  2. Le Roi du Nord

    Well folks, we would never have been in this situation if your fearless leader wouldn’t have “up-played”, (or was it “down-played” ?) the seriousness of the trump virus. But don’t worry, inject some disinfectant, turn the corner, and take a bushel of hydroxychloroquine, it’s a miracle drug!

  3. Jason

    >we would never have been in this situation if your fearless leader wouldn’t have “up-played”, (or was it “down-played” ?) the seriousness of the trump virus.

    Bullshit.  And he’s your leader.

  4. Mar

    More hate speech from Le Roi The Hater.
    The Pathological Liar who lies when he says he doesn’t hate.

  5. Mar

    This is all on Herr Evers. There is no reason why the show was shut down in the summer. You are outside. You can socially distance. Even where a mask if you want.
    But Herr Evers, the dictator, decided he knew better.
    Now, many people are out of work.
    Thank you Herr Evers for killing another business.

  6. Le Roi du Nord

    j:

    He is the President, but he is no “leader”, true leaders don’t say and do the things he does. And you know exactly what I am referring to….

  7. MjM

    Nazi Nort complains:   we would never have been in this situation if…

    ….Herr nEvers had not ordered the state to shut down based on your favorite fraudulent so-called “sound science”, numbnutz.  Still waiting on those 1500 deaths by ….. what was that again? …. oh yeah…  April 8th.

    Nazi Nort complains s’more: true leaders don’t say and do the things he does

    Yes, like “150 million have been killed since 2007”, “So you go ahead and you stack spaghetti sauce in a store, in… in… in a supermarket. You control the guy or the woman who runs the ruh…ruh…ruhs..brings out the carts on…on…on…on a forklift…”,

    … and incessantly creepily sniffing little girls’ hair.

     

  8. Pat

    And another woman came out today with a sexual assault accusation against Trump. How many is that now? 14, 15, 16. And let’s not forget the assault allegation made by a 13 year old.

    When you have that many woman coming out with an assault allegation it’s hard not to believe there’s some truth to it.

    Biden should have all of them sit in the front row for their first debate.

    I guess when you’re a celebrity you can get away with anything.

  9. Mar

    Gee, Pat,you are so gullible.
    This one is so laughable.

  10. Pat

    How so?

  11. Mar

    Gee, I don’t know.
    How long ago?
    Coming out so close to election time?
    Yeah, it’s soooooo believable.

  12. Pat

    I could see one allegation possibly being nonsensical. But when you have double digit allegations, it’s hard to dismiss.

  13. Mar

    This one is.

  14. Mar

    You better watch out or jjf will accuse you of changing the subject and he will give you such a tongue lashing.

  15. Pat

    I didn’t change the subject. MJM was the individual who brought up creepy things a candidate does. I am participating. It’s like Trump could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue, raw dogging a porn star while grabbing an underaged girl by the genitals, and not lose a vote:

  16. Mar

    Whatever, Pat. President Trump is not a saint and Senile Joe Biden is senile.

  17. Pat

    Do you have medical evidence that Biden is senile? It sounds more like you’re repeating what Trump wants you to say In hopes of convincing yourself that he isn’t.

    https://youtu.be/FesN3_uyuJM

  18. Kevin Scheunemann

    Typical liberals.

    Talk about anything but Evers destroying the Dells

    Awdul. Just awful.

  19. Pat

    It’s a shame the Tommy Bartlett show is closing due to the Trump Virus. I pray someone picks up the venue. Sounds like there could be opportunity there for an enterprising individual.

  20. Pat

    I see that the Tommy Bartlett Exploratory is open and still selling tickets. With the ski show being permanently closed, it appears the Exploratory is still continuing. That would be good news.

  21. Mar

    Gee Pat, did your President Trump invent the virus? Did he bring it over himself?
    Or are just a hater like Le Roi?

  22. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat said:

    “Trump virus”

    No, it is the “Chinese virus”.

    Stop it with your anti-American treason.

    It is gross to aide the Chinese communists with your disinformation.

  23. Pat

    Kevin said:

    “Chinese virus”

    No, it’s the “Trump virus”.

    It became his when he treasonously decided to lie to the American public about it.

  24. Mar

    I guess Oat is just another deranged hater.
    Just like Le Roi.
    Welcome to hateful liberal politics.

  25. Mar

    I guess when you have no issues, all you can do is hate, right Le Roi and Pat?
    I guess when your canidate is Senile, all you do is hate.
    When your vice president is a whore and and an extreme liberal, all you can do is hate.
    Right Le Roi and Pat?

  26. Pat

    Do I hate Trump? Guilty as charged. It’s hard to love a President that lies to the people he’s supposed to protect and defend.

    I believe verbalizing disgust about Trump’s lies is something that all patriotic Americans should rally around. Trump lied and 200,000 died.

  27. Pat

    Senile. Whore.

    Words of desperation from a drunk.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat,

    He shut down travel to prevent spread and Democrats screamed racist and xenophobic every step of the way.

    He had courage when disgusting liberals stood in the way!

    Then call it the “Pelosi virus ” that would be more honest.

  29. Pat

    Kevin,

    So you excuse Trump’s lies to the American public? When the truth could have prevented some deaths.

  30. Mar

    Prove me wrong, Pat.
    Harris is a whore and Senile Joe is senile.
    Prove me wrong.
    Whore definition:
    1somewhat old-fashioned : a person who engages in sexual intercourse for pay : PROSTITUTE
    2offensive : a promiscuous or immoral woman
    Harris had sex with Willie Brown, while he was married and she got 2 patronage jobs from Brown.
    So Pat, prove me wrong.

  31. Mar

    At least Pat, I give you credit. You admit you are a hater.
    Good for you and your admission. Its honest.
    Unlike Le Roi.

  32. Mar

    “When the truth could have prevented some deaths.”
    Evidence please.

  33. Pat

    Lying Drunken Mar,

    Harris dated Willie 1994 to 1995 Willie Brown, who had been separated from his wife for over a decade.

    I suppose to a hateful lying drunk that would make her a whore.

  34. Mar

    And the 2 patronage jobs?
    Nice try at being wrong

  35. Mar

    Changing the subject.
    Ok.
    You admit you were wrong.
    I’ll accept that.

  36. Pat

    Wrong about what, Lying Hateful Drunken Mar?

  37. Mar

    Thank you for admitting that you were wrong and that you know Sen. Harris is a whore.

  38. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    Another lie. I never admitted anything of the sort. Drinking evidently reduces your thought process to a greater extent than was previously known. Delusional thoughts and made up conclusions to fictitious conversations.

    Put the bottle down and get help.

  39. Mar

    When you change the subject and get unhinged, you lost.
    You got owned.
    Still waiting for your “evidence” how president Trump cost lives if he lied.

  40. Mar

    I should have said you got Le Roi’ed

  41. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    Changed the subject from what? You were attempting to brand Harris a whore, for what ever reason. And I asked if Trump giving a job to his daughter made her a whore too?

    You’re also asking about evidence of lives saved “if” Trump lied. It’s not in question about “if” Trumped lied. He freely made recordings that proved he lied to the American public. The number of our fellow citizens that may have been saved had Trump told the true is incalculable. Had we had the truth many could have taken earlier precautions to help prevent exposure.

  42. dad29

    Talk about anything but Evers destroying the Dells

    And Schreiner’s, and Bublitz’, and about 60% of the other forcibly-closed restaurants and/or bars in Wisconsin.

    Not to mention several businesses in Kenosha and roughly 75 or so in Madison.

    A record that not even the Great Depression could match.

  43. Pat

    Welcome to Trump’s America.

  44. Mar

    You still have not presented any evidence, Pat.
    You don’t get a participant ribbon for posting crap.

  45. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    Provide evidence that Don the Con saved lives by lying.

  46. Mark Hoefert

    @ MJM: Nazi Nort complains s’more: true leaders don’t say and do the things he does
    Yes, like “150 million have been killed since 2007”, “So you go ahead and you stack spaghetti sauce in a store, in… in… in a supermarket. You control the guy or the woman who runs the ruh…ruh…ruhs..brings out the carts on…on…on…on a forklift…”,

     

    “Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin’ a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?”

  47. Randall Flagg

    “Well, one of the things that will be really great, you know the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It’s an — a very important meaning.

    I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, ‘This is great. But I didn’t know very many people in Washington. It wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration.”

    You make some mistakes. Like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people”

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-hannity-interview-full-of-unintelligible-rambling.html

  48. Pat

    People are scamblen

  49. Randall Flagg

    Hmmm… Mar’s word versus wildfiretoday?  Who to believe…..

     

  50. Mar

    Of course Randall, you took him out of context but nice try.

  51. Randall Flagg

    Read the article Mar.  And then let me know what context Trump was using that is not addressed in it.

  52. Randall Flagg

    And, if you can do that, show proof Trump was correct in his context.

    “Mar says so” is proof of nothing……

  53. Mar

    I watched him live when he said it, so screw the article.
    And he was talking about forest fires and how dead trees that do explode when the conditions are right.

  54. Mar

    And why don’t look on the other thread that that this issue was addressed, if you want to know about exploding trees.

  55. Randall Flagg

    If you have no proof just admit it instead of 2 posts (so far) without proof.

    Or keep going……it’s entertaining watching you flail and name-call.

  56. Mar

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem, Randall.
    Go to the other post where this was addressed and then come back if you have any questions unless you are just here to troll, then you will fit in perfectly with the other illiterate liberal trolls here.

  57. Randall Flagg

    No reading comprehension problem.  I clearly read three posts in this thread with no proof.  There was none in the other thread either.

    However since you are so sure there is proof you should have no problem posting it here.  I look forward to you doing so.

    If not, I look forward to you continuing to flail around.

  58. Le Roi du Nord

    RF:

    mar is backed into a corner on the exploding tree issue, so he has nothing else but name calling to justify his existence.

  59. MjM

    Randy Flags reads headlines: “And then let me know what context Trump was using that is not addressed in it.”

    The context missed by you and every other blockhead who watches PMSNBC was right there, in the same Q&A session, and easily found if you had bothered to read the whole damn thing instead of, as usual, swallowing whole what the LamesStreamMedia wanted you to suck on….

    “I was talking to the head of a major country and he said, “We’re a forest nation. We consider ourselves a forest nation.” This was in Europe. I said that’s a beautiful term. He said, “We have trees that are far more explosive.” He meant explosive in terms of fire. But we have trees that are far more explosive than they have in California, and we don’t have any problem, because we manage our forests.” – Prez Trump

    And just in case you can’t comprehend the point: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQT8yOYJKxQ

  60. Mar

    MjM just owned Le Roi and Randall.

  61. Kevin Scheunemann

    The disgust of you liberals to divert the blame off of Evers for destroying a WI icon know no bounds.

    Reprehensible and disgusting the way you divert attention from Evers awful action.

    If the was Walker, you would have attempted to hang him in the public square by now.

    Awful. Just awful.

  62. Pat

    I think Harris looked cute in her Timberline boots. What do you think Kevin?

  63. Randall Flagg

    MjM:

    If you had read the article I linked instead of worrying about namecalling you would have seen it addresses that very context.  How embarrassing for you.

  64. Randall Flagg

    Kevin:

    It is really sad all the conservatives who gave Walker a pass for all of the businesses that closed under his watch are now attacking Evers.  The double standard is astounding.

    Awful, just awful.

  65. Randall Flagg

    Pat:

    Even Donald Trump is a Harris fan.  He donated to her previous campaigns.

  66. Kevin Scheunemann

    Randall,

    What iconic business did Walker shut down?

    Name one.

     

  67. Le Roi du Nord

    mjm:

    So you are taking a quote from trump, he of the 20000+ lies, on a subject he has absolutely no knowledge, as the truth? Amazing example of willful ignorance.

    PS: Trees don’t explode on their own. That’s a fact, regardless of context.

  68. penquin

    If the Governor is solely responsible for this business closing down, then why aren’t ALL the businesses…each & ever one of ’em in Wisconsin, or at least in the Dells…also closed down permanently?

    Unless he issued some sort of directive that was written to target them specifically by name, shouldn’t Ever’s actions be having the same exact effect on each&every business in the state?

  69. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat,

    You will do anything to distract from Evers destroying this iconic business.

    Are you hiding a secret Bromance for Evers?

     

  70. Jason

    > shouldn’t Ever’s actions be having the same exact effect on each&every business in the state?

    Simple penguin, because he didn’t close “each&every business in the state”.  Only specific types of business.   Really, that’s your nuanced thinking on it?  Lacking, very lacking.

  71. Jason

    >PS: Trees don’t explode on their own. 

    PPS:  He didn’t say that, dummy.

  72. Pat

    Kevin,

    The silence from Vos and Fitz is deafening.

  73. Jason

    And just because I know you’re going to be a moron about it… the quote is here, thanks to Randall for linking it.

     

    “He said we have trees that are more explosive in terms of fire than they have in California, and we don’t have any problems because we manage our forests,” Trump concluded. “We have to do that in California.”

     

     

  74. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat,

    They don’t want to get in the middle of your creepy bromance…

     

  75. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    Does Melania fit the bill for what you would consider being a whore?

  76. Mar

    No, she is as much of a whore as you are.

  77. Mar

    “Unless he issued some sort of directive that was written to target them specifically by name, shouldn’t Ever’s actions be having the same exact effect on each&every business in the state?”
    No, because every business is different.
    You cannot compare Tommy Bartlett to McDonald’s to a hotel.
    And this case, Evers pretty much did single them out.
    How many, for profit, watershows are in Wisconsin?
    In Las Vegas, many of the shows that got closed down by their governors orders have gone bankrupt and will not come back.

  78. Pat

    Gee, I thought someone being paid to perform girl on girl would be considered a whore.

    pros·ti·tu·tion
    /ˌprästəˈt(y)o͞oSH(ə)n/

    noun
    the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment.

  79. Le Roi du Nord

    Apples and oranges, j.

    PS: Trees still don’t explode on their own.

  80. Kevin Scheunemann

    Never ceased to be amazed by the interference being run by liberals to talk about anything other than the issue at hand:  Evers destroying a WI icon.

    It is more disgusting than what Evers did.

     

  81. Mar

    “Gee, I thought someone being paid to perform girl on girl would be considered a whore.”
    Only to hateful people like you.

  82. Pat

    I find it awful, just awful, that Vos and Fitz did nothing to help save the Show. True dereliction of their duty.

  83. Pat

    Come on, Lying Mar. Be Best.

  84. Mar

    And Pathological Liar Le Roi lies again.
    You just cannot fix stupid.

  85. Jason

    >I find it awful, just awful, that Vos and Fitz did nothing to help save the Show. True dereliction of their duty.

    They did what they could… Damage had already been done by Damaged Evers.

    https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-safer-home-order-0

    Hows that recall going? I’m hearing rumors they already have more than the minimum and still have 30 days or so.

  86. Randall Flagg

    Never ceased to be amazed by the interference being run by liberals to talk about anything other than the issue at hand:  Evers destroying a WI icon.

    OK, let’s talk about it.

    Which of Evers’ orders affected Tommy Bartlett’s show specifically, and how did those orders they destroy it?

  87. Randall Flagg

    Jason:

    That is awful.  Glad he is being held accountable.

  88. jjf

    Randall, I think we should also include the possibility that any given business could’ve been on the ropes (Get it? Tow ropes?) for all sorts of other reasons, and the pandemic slowdown nudged them over the edge.

  89. Randall Flagg

    Yup, that entirely possible JJF.  The pandemic is merely providing cover in that case.

  90. Randall Flagg

    JJF:

    Things would have been a lot better had Trump not lied about the seriousness of COVID and instead had a coordinated, national response.  The countries that are doing much better than us did just that.

  91. Jason

    Interesting…  you two want clarity and nuance when it comes to counting “Covid business deaths” but not when it comes to “Covid people deaths”.   If you really support death certificates that are stamped with Covid when a person was shot, then why not support a business “on the ropes” who shut down during this?    Seems rather dichotomous to me.

     

    Or am I wrong, and have you both advocated for ME’s to be clear, that if a person who was in Hospice for a terminal illness, and tested positive for Covid, should NOT be in the general “Covid death count”.  My memory isn’t what it used to be, but I recall both of you not having an issue when this activity has been discussed before.

  92. jjf

    You’re no expert at medical coding, right Jason?  Not really an expert at anything, right?

    If someone was shot and getting better, and then got COVID and died, how would you like to count it, and in which categories?

    With the scenarios you have imagined and present here, what fraction of the COVID death counts are like that?

  93. Mar

    “Things would have been a lot better had Trump not lied about the seriousness of COVID and instead had a coordinated, national response.  The countries that are doing much better than us did just that.”
    Prove it. Show evidence.

  94. Jason

    So I wasn’t wrong and your hypocrisy is laid bare on this issue. You’re more partisan than you cry I am.

  95. jjf

    No, Jason, this is what conversation can look like.  I can ask questions.  You can answer.

  96. Jason

    >No, Jason, this is what conversation can look like.  I can ask questions.  You can answer.

    You’re no expert at running a entertainment business, right Jason?  Not really an expert at anything, right?

     

    Thanks for educating me.  I had no idea this was what conversation can look like, Little Foust.  Is this what lead to your divorce?

  97. Mar

    “If someone was shot and getting better, and then got COVID and died, how would you like to count it, and in which categories?”
    I did some coding while going through school.
    It basically would be a trauma code and also a Chinese virus code.
    The Chinese virus would also be counted as a cause of death.

  98. dad29

    The countries that are doing much better than us did just that.

    Sweden.  Coordinated yawn worked very well indeed.

    You DO know that subtracting New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut would reduce US deaths by about 40%, right?  Cuomo, Murphy, and Lamont will be remembered as the most deadly Governors in US history.

    So simply expelling those States from the Union would place the US in the “Best in the World” at handling WuFlu.

  99. MjM

    Randy Flags mirror gazes: “How embarrassing for you.”

    Had you actually read the article that you linked to you wouldn’t have needed to ask for “what context Trump was using that is not addressed in it” and then demand “ if you can do that, show proof Trump was correct in his context.“.

    Nor would you need to try to authenticate ‘the stupid’ of your selected headline quote by immediately posting a second link to someone who, experienced in firefighting as he may be, attempted to debunk the same quote yet came off looking just as foolish as you and Nazi Nort because he, like you and Nazi Nort, was just as ignorant of the context.

    Tell us the truth, Randy. Did you finish the article before you posted your selected headline quote or after I suggested that you “read the whole damn thing”?

    Pardon me for suspecting the latter.

    But if the former, then Mar is quite correct. Your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking.

  100. MjM

    Nazi Nort self identifies: “Amazing example of willful ignorance.”

    What is amazing is that loons like you you keep falling for the same old trick. Over and over and over and over.

    Sad.

    P.S. nothing explodes on it own, numbnutz, and why are you lying about what Trump said?

  101. Randall Flagg

    Poor MjM swings and mises again.  Directly from the article I posted, addressing Trump’s context of trees exploding during a wildfire:

    “In my 33 years of fighting wildland fires I never saw or heard a tree explode, and I don’t know a reputable firefighter that has.”

    Game, set, match.

  102. Randall Flagg

    dud69 thinks Sweden did a good job?  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA  He probably also thinks Catholic priests, bishops and the Popes did a bang-up job protecting kids.

    “Second, Sweden’s caseload and death rate are not quite the worst, but pretty bad, particularly when compared to its neighbors.

    “Sweden currently ranks 34th highest in the world in cases per million citizens, at 8,638, and ranks 13th highest in deaths per million citizens, with 579.”

    “In cases per million, Denmark ranks 88th, Norway ranks 106th, Finland ranks 115th. In deaths per million, Denmark ranks 6oth, Finland ranks 78th, and Norway ranks 87th. By this measurement, Sweden is performing significantly worse than the nearest and most demographically and culturally-similar countries.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/but-what-about-sweden-well-lets-take-a-look-over-there/

     

  103. MjM

    Randy Flags, out on a called third strike: “Directly from the article I posted,…”

    …. which never mentions the context with which Trump was using “explode”.

    So, Mar was correct then.

    And seeing no answer from you on the question posed, obviously I was too.

  104. Mar

    Gee Randall, that guy might have had 33 years of wildland firefighting, though I doubt that, but i did see trees explode.
    Bear Paw mountains forest fire in the late 1980s. Turtle Mountain fires, in the early 1980s.
    Did the explode like 2 sticks of dynamite were in them.
    No.
    Did they go up in flames instantly.
    Yes.
    Did standing trees go up extremely fast, and explode in a firefighter’s terms.
    Absolutley.

  105. Mar

    It’s funny watching the liberals here get all bent out of shape about exploding trees when they have a candidate in Senile Joe who is very incapacitated.
    Trying to deflect won’t hide the fact that there is something seriously wrong with Senile Joe.

  106. Mar

    “I think Harris looked cute in her Timberline boots. What do you think Kevin?”
    Lesbian feelings for her, Pat?
    Nothing wrong with your sexual fantasies about her or your sexual preference choices.
    But still, kind of weird you have something about her boots.

  107. Mar

    Still waiting for your evidence, Randall.
    Or are just trolling like jjf, Le Roi and Pat?
    Make fake accusations but with no proof.
    Should we start to call you Troll Randall?
    You would be in company.

  108. Kevin Scheunemann

    Again,

    Look at these liberals!!!

    Will talk about anything but Evers destroying the WI icon.

    Pathetic!

    I think they like it that Evers is destroying business. That is what Marxist reprobate does.

  109. Pat

    Kevin,

    The State Supreme Court struck down the safer at home order back in April. The Show could have opened if they wanted to.

  110. Pat

    And, aren’t health ordinances dictated locally?

  111. dad29

    At Statista regarding deaths/million:

    This table aims to provide a complete picture on the topic, but it very much relies on data that has become more difficult to compare. As the coronavirus pandemic developed across the world, countries already used different methods to count fatalities, and they sometimes changed them during the course of the pandemic. On April 16, for example, the Chinese city of Wuhan added a 50 percent increase in their death figures to account for community deaths. These deaths occurred outside of hospitals and went unaccounted for so far. The state of New York did something similar two days before, revising their figures with 3,700 new deaths as they started to include “assumed” coronavirus victims. The United Kingdom started counting deaths in care homes and private households on April 29, adjusting their number with about 5,000 new deaths (which were corrected lowered again by the same amount on August 18). This makes an already difficult comparison even more difficult. Belgium, for example, counts suspected coronavirus deaths in their figures, whereas other countries have not done that (yet). This means two things. First, it could have a big impact on both current as well as future figures. On April 16 already, UK health experts stated that if their numbers were corrected for community deaths like in Wuhan, the UK number would change from 205 to “above 300”. This is exactly what happened two weeks later. Second, it is difficult to pinpoint exactly which countries already have “revised” numbers (like Belgium, Wuhan or New York) and which ones do not. One work-around could be to look at (freely accessible) timelines that track the reported daily increase of deaths in certain countries. Several of these are available on our platform, such as for Belgium, Italy and Sweden. A sudden large increase might be an indicator that the domestic sources changed their methodology.

    Translation:  We have no idea what numbers are accurate.  But we publish them anyway.  After all, the medical authorities in Africa, South America, and South Asia are EXTREMELY competent and thorough in assessing cause-of-death, just like Western Europe and the US.  And we all know that China never lies about anything.

    One thing we DO know:  New York City and State are the deadliest places on earth for Covid, and the Democrat/Socialist governments in both those entities should be charged with 6,000++ cases of manslaughter.

    So yah, ride your hobbyhorse Catholic-abuse again because that’s germane.

  112. jjf

    Jason, you run an entertainment business?  Do tell!

  113. jjf

    Yes, Pat, to an extent, and then the WisGOP / QAnon talk-radio machine will oppose local control, too.

  114. Pat

    From what I’m reading it’s not Evers that was putting restrictions on The Tommy Bartlett Show, it was Sauk County.
    https://www.co.sauk.wi.us/publichealth/coronavirus
    After the State Supreme Court struck down Evers order it was up to each local to come up with their own restrictions.
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/13/wisconsin-stay-home-order-ended-supreme-court-ruling-schools-closed-coronavirus-safer-at-home-evers/5187903002/

    Perhaps people are pointing fingers in the wrong direction.

  115. Le Roi du Nord

    Geez conservatives, why let some pesky facts get in the way of blaming the wrong folks?

  116. Mar

    If you read the article Owen linked to, the decision to close was in April and the Supreme Court issued their order in May.
    So, yes, it is Ever’s order that did them in.

  117. Pat

    The date for the first show was May 22. I’m sure even if they moved the date up by two to three weeks they could have been able to put shows on through the summer. I guess unless people don’t want to attend because of the Trump virus. If they really wanted to they could open for the 2021 season. Again, it probably depends if they can get the necessary attendance of 2000 per show.
    But you’d have to blame the lack of attendance on the Trump virus versus Evers.

  118. Pat

    Should have said, moved the date back by two to three weeks

  119. Mar

    Yeah Pat, whatever.
    You have no clue how that business works and Evers killed the show.
    But keep on hating.

  120. Pat

    Lying, Hateful, Drunken, Mar,

    Tell us, how does that business work?

  121. Pat

    “The biggest detriment to business is uncertainty. And we don’t have any certainty as to whether or not things will be the same next summer,” said owner Tom Diehl. “We’re a small, family business and investing the amount of money that we would have to invest to get to next May without having certainty just makes absolutely no business sense.”

    https://wkow.com/2020/09/16/its-been-a-wonderful-ride-tommy-bartlett-show-ending-after-nearly-7-decades/

    Diehl specifically blames the pandemic and the uncertainty of what next year will be like because of it.

  122. Mar

    I guess you are as stupid as you write.
    They have contracts that were cancelled. You had to get the performers. You had get maintenance workers and other summer help. Some of these workers come from Europe, where there are severe travel restrictions.
    Then you have have confidence that people will show up. With Asia and Europe travel severely limited, you lost those people. With the FIBs down south pretty much shut down and potentially facing quarantine when they go home, you lost those people.
    You think the Southern half of Wisconsin could support the show by themselves?
    So, get an education about things you have clue about.
    And stop being so hateful.

  123. Pat

    Put the drink down, Lying Mar.

  124. Pat

    Thanks for admitting it’s all because of the pandemic.

  125. Mar

    No, moron. It was because of a moronic governor who panicked.
    I am glad you admit you were wrong again.
    Sucks to be wrong so much. But ask jjf, Randall and Le Roi how it feels as they are wrong almost all the time. They are used to it.

  126. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    Funny how the owners blame the pandemic. They said zero about Evers.

  127. penquin

    Can someone please explain how the state-wide mask mandate forced this particular business to close while other businesses, including many in the Dells, have remained open?

  128. Mar

    How sure are you about your statement, penguin?
    Maybe if you read the article, penguin, you would have discovered that the mask requirement was not the reason but the number of people allowed in 2 place at a time.
    Are you sure about anything else?

  129. Mar

    Stupid Pat, from the article: “In April, the owners of the water-ski, sky and stage show made the decision to close its attraction this summer due to restrictions on large gatherings.”
    That was Evers.

  130. Pat

    “The biggest detriment to business is uncertainty. And we don’t have any certainty as to whether or not things will be the same next summer,” said owner Tom Diehl. “We’re a small, family business and investing the amount of money that we would have to invest to get to next May without having certainty just makes absolutely no business sense.”

  131. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat,

    Translation:   We can’t risk another year of crazy Evers….

     

  132. Le Roi du Nord

    It would seem that the bumbling around by the current occupant of the WH, telling us all sorts of bogus things ( I have supplied a pretty extensive list in the past were anyone curious) not supported by the evidence with regard to the trump virus, in addition the recent revelations about what and when trump knew the seriousness of the virus, all added up to the uncertainty mentioned by Mr. Diehl.

    I’m sorry the business decision made to close, but it is a big stretch to blames Evers.

  133. Mar

    Gee, I didn’t know President Trump shut down states, make stupid decisions regarding the lockdowns and then refused to open up.
    I didn’t know Trump panicked and imposed stupid restrictions on states and local cities and counties.
    My gosh, that President is such a powerful dictator. (That’s sarcasm, Le Roi, in case you didn’t know)

  134. penquin

    Yes, I read the article. It flat-out stated that they expected the close-down to be temporary, but the pandemic has gotten worse since then & they owners are uncertain of how much more the virus will spread in the future. Hence their choice to close the business.

    The reason I asked about the mask mandate is because ya’ll are blaming Evers for this, and that is the only thing currently state-wide that he issued. The others bans/restrictions/regulation are on a county level.

    Other businesses in the Dells, under the same restrictions that this waterski show was subject to, are finding a way to stay afloat. If Evers’ mandates…past&present…were the sole cause of this business failing, then shouldn’t all those others also fail?

  135. Mar

    Penquin, please reread the article.
    They made the decision to close down in April, during Evers ridiculous shutdown.
    And this is not your typical business. How many other watershows are there in the Dells area?

  136. penquin

    Perhaps you should re-read it, ’cause you got it wrong. It flat-out states that in April they expected the close down to be temporary. However the pandemic has gotten worse since then, and the owners are uncertain how the virus will spread in the future.

    Are you really trying to blame Evers’ for not doing enough to stop the spread of this virus? Because otherwise there is no connection between the Governor and the reasons the business gave for closing down permanently.

    Have you ever been to the Wisconsin Dells? There are many businesses in the area that involve mass gatherings, just like this waterski show. Other than the “waterski” aspect of it, there’s nothing really unique about it. Some of those businesses have closed temporarily, while others are still open. If the actions of our Governor were the sole cause of this business closing down, then one would think all those other businesses would also be closed down.

    Am curious tho – you say that the Governor’s actions are “ridiculous”. Do you beleive he should have done nothing at all in response to this pandemic? Is there anything he could’ve done that you would approve of?

  137. Mar

    “Am curious tho – you say that the Governor’s actions are “ridiculous”. Do you beleive he should have done nothing at all in response to this pandemic? Is there anything he could’ve done that you would approve of?”
    I would have had no problem if he shut down the State for a week or 2 to make hospitals could handle the Chinese virus.
    Once it was shown they could, then open up the state.
    I know you just started writing here but I have consistently have said that since day 1.
    He panicked and killed businesses, cost people their jobs, helped increase the number of suicides, ODs, and mental illness.
    Unless, like many Democrat governors, he closed the State for political reasons.

  138. jjf

    Is there anything he could’ve done that you would approve of?

    No, there is not.  It is a reflex.  The only thing they’d applaud is if Evers praised Trump.

  139. Pat

    “ helped increase the number of suicides”

    Please provide evidence of the number that were directly related to the shutdown.

  140. Mar

    Look it up lazy ass.

  141. Mar

    And jjf lies again.

  142. Pat

    I did and found you were lying again.

  143. Mar

    Then, Lying Pat, show me a link.

  144. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Mar,

    No where in that article does it attribute suicides to the month long temporary shut down Imposed by Governor Evers in Wisconsin.

    What are the suicide increase numbers in Wisconsin due to the temporary 30 day shut down ordered by Evers?

    You say you’d close down the State for a couple weeks. Evers shut it down two weeks longer than you would have.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/madison.com/business/more-businesses-to-shut-down-with-tony-evers-monthlong-safer-at-home-order-amid-covid/article_da2c55db-43fd-5ffb-9e4b-a9036b12c920.amp.html

  145. dad29

    What are the suicide increase numbers in Wisconsin due to the temporary 30 day shut down ordered by Evers?

    Better question:  what are the Covid-19 positive test DECREASES since Tin-Pot Tony imposed his mask order?

    Show your work.

  146. Le Roi du Nord

    Using the article supplied by mar it would be far more likely that any increase in suicides due to coronavirus would be the fault of the bungler -in-chief currently occupying the WH, since he admitted to downplaying the serious nature of the disease when he knew better.

  147. penquin

    Good question: Are masks considered effective if most people don’t actually wear them?

    Follow-up questions: Are you personally following along with the mask mandate? Do you beleive most people in the state are following it or ignoring it?

    Best Question: Who is “Tony” and how is he connected to a “Tin Pot”?

  148. Mar

    I guess the words were too big for you Pat. And it wasn’t on Twitter or You Tube.
    Sorry about that. Next time I will use an article that a pre-Kindergarten kid would understand.

  149. Mar

    And lying hater Le Roi lies again. President Trump did not shut down the country, moron.
    Now stop being a hater.

  150. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Marbles,

    What did I get wrong in my response? All you provided was a juvenile drunken rant (as usual). Absolutely no facts to rebut what I said.

  151. Jason

    >What are the suicide increase numbers in Wisconsin due to the temporary 30 day shut down ordered by Evers?

    March 25th to May 13th is 30 days?  Maybe this is why we can’t have honest discussions…. you don’t comprehend simple things like math.

  152. Pat

    “ Gov. Tony Evers on Tuesday ordered nonessential businesses to shut down for a month starting Wednesday while exempting a wide range of employers, from farms and factories to grocery stores and retailers that supply those working from home.

    But large sectors of the economy that tend to draw walk-in business will be forced to close their doors as officials try to mitigate the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus. Many have already closed as customers self-quarantine to blunt the pandemic.

    The “safer at home” order goes into effect at 8 a.m. Wednesday and remains in place until April 24, and is similar to shelter-in-place directives already issued in states including California, Ohio and Illinois.”

  153. penquin

    A lot of folks seem to be under the impression that the Governor of Wisconsin has had the entire state on lockdown since the end of March, but people who actually live in this state know that is not true.

  154. Jason

    Pat, forgetting that it was extended and was not stopped until the Wisconsin Supreme Court blocked it, on May 13th?  Or lying?  Lying Pat or Stupid Pat?

  155. Mar

    Pat, I usually don’t respond to stupidity or people who refuse or cannot read the link provided.

  156. dad29

    Gee, Penny, you don’t want to answer about the efficacy of Tin-Pot Tony’s Mandate from Olympistan, eh?

    That’s because you know the answer.  Sucks, ain’a?

    Now some questions just as stupid as yours:

    Do you have a wife?  Do you think she wears the mask a)  all the time; b) some of the time; c) none of the time?

    Are people in your neighborhood wacky?  How do you know?

    If you need help with these, contact Jiffy.

  157. jjf

    Dad29 asks questions of others he won’t answer of himself.

  158. Mar

    Obviously, jjf wouldn’t know sarcasm if it slapped him in the face with a dead carp.

  159. dad29

    Here’s one for Joe Biden.  Ask him when he’s in Manitowoc!

    When the moon is full, does the cheese on the pizza taste more like chocolate or Iranian crude, or when is the car in gear?

    if it slapped him in the face with a dead carp.

    Yah, well, Jiffy’s the only one on this board who takes Jiffy seriously.

  160. Pat

    So what if it was extended a couple weeks. The root cause of the Tommy Barrett Show Folding was the Trump pandemic.

  161. Jason

    >So what if it was extended a couple weeks.

    Yeah, so what? You stated it as fact, I questioned it, you doubled down, again incorrect. You’ve been busy the past couple weeks attacking Mar, and you’re acting even worse. Lying Stupid Hypocritical Pat.

  162. Pat

    Who cares what you think, Juvenile Jason?

  163. Pat

    It’s nice Mar has a girl friend who tries to come to his rescue.

  164. Mar

    I see Pat is off her meds again.
    Time for some electric shock therapy. Mendota is good at that.

  165. Jason

    >Who cares what you think, Juvenile Jason?

    Why, you do Lying Stupid Hypocritical Sexist Pat.

  166. Pat

    Looks like I touched a nerve.

  167. jjf

    See, hypocrisy only matters sometimes when it’s convenient.

  168. Jason

    >Looks like I touched a nerve.

    Haha, that’s funny.  I guess we can add “Deluded” to your name.

  169. Pat

    Go ahead if it makes you and your girlfriend feel better.

  170. Mar

    jjf, you are the king of hypocrisy. Biggest hypocrite here.
    Pat, I would have a comment about you, but in reality, you just are not worth it.
    Now go back to Twitter, You Tube and Flickr to get your news.

  171. Pat

    Lying Hateful Drunken Marbles,

    I never said they were news sites. This isn’t a news site either.

  172. Mar

    Gee Pat, I am just shocked that Boots and Sabers is not a news site. I guess I will stop using it as a source.
    Now, go back watching Sesame Street. I hear they are going introduce a new character named after you: Dumbass Pat, the Talking Jackass.

  173. jjf

    Name calling?  Childish much?  Calling each other girls?  Sexist much?

  174. Pat

    Put the bottle down Drunken Marbles.

  175. Jason

    Pat, jjf is talking to you..

  176. Pat

    Marble girlfriend speaks up.

  177. Mar

    Pat, your transgendered boyfriend is talking to you.

  178. Pat

    And he’s twice the man you’ll ever be, Marbles.

  179. Randall Flagg

    Marbles?  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Can I use that one Pat?

     

  180. Pat

    Be my guest.

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