What a buffoon. The same week the ISIS takes over Ramadi, North Korea is becoming even more destabilized, Russia is continuing its war in Ukraine, and half of the despots in the Middle East are looking at building nuclear weapons, Obama is worried about global warming.
“Climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security, an immediate risk to our national security,” he told the graduates in their dress white uniforms at the campus football stadium, “and, make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country. And so we need to act— and we need to act now.”
Owen,
The “buffoon” would be a president foolish enough to engage Russia in a military conflict, go against the will of the people by putting boots back on the ground in Iraq and ignore real intelligence about North Korea (submarine missile photo fake). How do you propose we solve these issues or is your role simply to criticize?
Global warming is a good thing (if it is happening). Obama should stop warring on it. Global warming allows us to consume less natural gas/wood/propane heating our homes and workplaces in the winter. After last 2 winters, we need to do better job speeding up global warming.
Obama fails to address true problems on foreign policy stage. Instead, he is trying to solcve a non-problem.
Talk about hot air…Kevin you have the unmatched ability to twist any serious issue. I won’t waste my time trying to convince you of the statistics, research or that the majority of Republicans (conservatives) now believe global warming exists and that humans are the main contributors because I have read previous posts and see that your in denial. I will, however, say your statement shows a limited and naive understanding of the results of global warming. I won’t waste my time explaining that either because you will deny or twist those documented realities. The human death toll resulting from the increase in global warming related weather events and the slow death of our planet certainly isn’t worth saving a couple of bucks on my heating bill. I think the call for us “to do better job speeding up global warming” is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It’s truly insulting and embarrassing to all rational human beings who are willing to entertain the idea of global warming. Evangelical Christian and Republican Mike Huckabee said it best “The most important thing about global warming is this. Whether human beings are responsible for the bulk of climate change is going to be left to the scientists, but it’s all of our responsibility to leave this planet in better shape for future generation than we found it.” Huckabee is one among many prominent a Republican/conservative leaders willing to acknowledge the existence of and problems associated with global warming. They don’t want to get caught again being on the wrong side of an issue.
Jade,
It isn’t a serious issue…that’s the point!
Its about government taking control of resources and curtailing our freedom for the latest liberal boogeyman like the population bomb scare of the late 1960s. Or the coming Ice age of the 1970s. Star Wars and Mutual Assured Destruction would be death of us all under Reagan in 80s. Shall I go on?
If global warming is happening (doubt is raised now since the term change to “climate change”, because its been COLD last 2 years), “warming” is a good thing.
1.) Greener Planet. (more CO2 for plants to consume)
2.) Lower energy bills in winter.
3.) If viewed as a good thing, there is no need to have a religious-like faith than man can control the climate with draconian government regulation to curb the good thing. That is a big faith burden to live with. The liberal idea that man is god and can control the climate through government.
Jade, if you buy man made global warming, and then go further by saying man can control it, that is a big faith conviction of liberal religion. you still deny being liberal?
I am by no means a liberal but I undoubtedly believe man contributes. Not saying we are solely to blame but we definitely contribute to it.
Kevin,
Pollution is pollution. “The liberal boogeyman like the pollution bomb scare of the 1960s” was real. Burning rivers, superfund sites, birth defects and child deaths can be directly linked to the pollution bomb. I suppose the oil slick on the California coast should be considered a good thing or “it isn’t a serious issue”. If your short term vision of our climate or environment is based on two year periods then once again you have shown your limited and naive understanding of our planet. As I said many Republicans (conservatives), over 60% now, acknowledge the existence of and problems associated with global warming. You don’t have to be a liberal to be concerned about the environment. As long as your (1) heating bill is lower and (2) your grass is greener who gives a crap about our health or the health of the planet. This is one issue where I’m glad to see you are being left behind. I’m glad intelligent and responsible people, Republicans and Democrats alike, are willing to error on the side of caution and place the health and well being of people and our planet over ideology. Wrong again!
Jade,
So the very element, CO2, which we exhale is pollution?
That is a dangerous, and disgusting, notion.
Under that notion, eliminating people is an environmentally friendly thing to do.
I refuse to capitulate that the cycle of life, especially an essential element of that life, CO2, is pollution.
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Kevin,
Take the CO2 challenge! Pull your car into your garage, leave it running and close the door. Tell me how it works out. Or if that’s to hard core for you, fill a plastic bag with CO2 and put it over your head. Breath deep and let me know how it works out. You have, once again, succeeded in showing your limited and naive understanding of our planet and the chemicals released when burning fossil fuels. Wrong again!
Jade,
How does your suggestion even correlate? (other than being mean).
We inhale oxygen and exhale CO2. Plants take in CO2 and release oxygen.
Cycle of life. Photosynthesis, for those that want the scientific term for all those CO2 eaters out there.
Check into it sometime.
More CO2 can allow plant life to thrive and release more oxygen. If we are against plant life, by depriving plants of CO2, we threaten oxygen production at its core.
…but you are too busy telling me to pursue suicide, rather than talk actual science.
See what happens when you claim what we exhale is pollution? Christianity, and the golden rule, gets thrown out the window.
Photosynthesis is the action of using light (the sun) on chlorophyll in green plant cells. Nice try, maybe you should check into it sometime. My point was concentrated or high levels of CO2 are poison (pollution). Pretend your garage or the bag is our atmosphere fill it with CO2 and see how long you can withstand it. Suicide can be avoided if you either pull your head out of the bag or reduce the CO2 levels. All documented research done by scientists that are both conservative or liberal points to dangerously high levels of CO2 in our atmosphere and oceans. Your unwillingness to except science because it’s another liberal religion makes you ignorant to the facts. My political or religious views have no impact on the facts or the solution. The mean thing to do is pretend, ignore or justify problems that exist and could impact the health and well being of Gods green earth and all of Gods children.
Jade –
Jade-
The bizarre point that Obama says, and he does his best Scarecrow imitation (If I only had a brain) when he said that muslim uprising in Nigeria, Iraq, Libya etc is because of global warming. He said that if there were no global warming/climate change, we would not have Boko Harem, Isil or other muslim terrorism because the crops have dried up, lack of water etc.
Apparently, Obama doesn’t recognize muslim terrorism, Sharia Law, the long war between Sunnis and Shites, muslim extremism and more.
And using Obama’s logic, then North Korea, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Idi Amin, 9-11 and all the other acts of terrorism and wars is caused by climate change through out time.
Once again, Obama shows his stupidity, which really now borders on retardation and the ignorant liberals just fall in lock step with this fool.
Dan,
No, you have just shown your stupidity by misquoting, quoting out of context and then applying those standards in an unfair and unrealistic characterization of history. I just watched the same hour of Fox New. Rhetoric and ignorance at its finest. Drought is a factor in ISIS quest for money. Loot, pillage and commandeer oil wells to buy food and water (because of draught) that feeds their terrorist efforts is plausible and is a contributing factor. Obama is making mistakes but I’m sure his advising military leaders (many are Republicans) are competent enough to make sure he understands all the contributing factors making up the threat. Ignorance and stupidity cross political lines you are living proof.
West Bend Observer,
I get it but if someone can actually prove that there are real answers and solutions to our nations problems without placing blame, spewing rhetoric, hiding behind the bible or playing partisan politics we wouldn’t be so damn dysfunctional. Why do you come to this blog if you find it so frustrating and aren’t willing to engage the BS?
Jaded, I am in no way frustrated, the emoticon I expected would show your frustration trying to debate with KS. I have posted comments as I did a few posts above, I don’t care to debate an issue that I am not fully educated on as I would only make a fool of myself. I do enjoy the conversations between yourself and KS. Sorry, just here for a little info and entertainment.
When the scientific community speaks so clearly and with such unity on an issue for so long… You’re a special breed of ideologue (or idiot) to express such vehement disbelief. Deniers, I hope your grandchildren and great grandchildren are one day made to understand your role in their predicament. They’ll be ashamed of you.
Scott,
So you admit so called climate change is a belief system….a religion.
Even if we subscribe to the basic conviction of the liberal religion that man made Co2 is a problem….Co2 is naturally occurring from many sources, especially volcanic eruptions, things we simply cannot control.
Climate change disciples, such as yourself are true believers that man is god over the climate.
scientists in the 70s warned of a ice age, are you an ice age denier? Why is it permissible for you to question that science? Those that did not buy that science were also ridiculed.
Some of you seem very passionate about this climate change religion. Sometimes I’m envious of your climate change dicipleship passion despite it being a false religion.
Diversity of viewpoint seems completely out with this liberal religion. I bet heretics like myself would not be allowed to counter this liberal religion curriculum in public schools.
Jade,
I hate to be remedial about role of Co2 in photosynthesis but you clearly asked for it:
http://Www.eschooltoday.com
Click on carbon dioxide or photosynthesis.
You might learn that co2 is essential for the process of photosynthesis.
I apologize for being remedial about this. I assumed you had a basic grasp of this when I talked about this above. My error.
Kevin,
Your attempts to make me look foolish go unnoticed. Anyone who can read can clearly see that you state “plants take in CO2 and release oxygen. Cycle of life. Photosynthesis, for all those that want the scientific term”. Once again, your un-thought out rushed response to try and make me look stupid had the opposite outcome. YOU LOOK STUPID! Nice try. Wrong again! Please take the CO2 challenge and prove to us all how essential and beneficial high concentrated levels of CO2 are for human life.
Jade,
I’m not the one saying that exhaling= pollution.
If you consider your fellow man pollution, that is a radical position.
Kevin,
Your limited views and juvenile knowledge of photosynthesis are revealed in the source you quote above. Try a website geared toward the education of adults and you might be surprised what you learn. Photosynthesis by definition is not what you described above. I realize you have to back pedal on this one. If you would like to have an in depth discussion about molecular or cellular biology you may want to take a couple years of college bio (300 and 400 level course work) before you engage me in that pissing contest. Concentrated (high) levels of CO2 are as damaging to plant life as they are to human life. Think of it like this… Have you ever heard of water intoxication or oxygen toxicity? To much of any good thing can be fatal. No organism is immune to this. Try the CO2 challenge on a plant and see what happens. If your confident in your theory use one of your wife’s favorite house plants.
Kevin,
In anticipation of your next response, I which you’ll tell me about how plants don’t have hemoglobin therefore co2 isn’t toxic to them, as I said excessive concentrated amounts will kill the plants. Let’s not forget that co2 isn’t the only chemical produced by burning fossil fuels. I suppose with that said you’ll now tell me all the benefits of suffer dioxide, nitrogen oxides (more then one), mercury and methane.
To recklessly dismiss the possibility of accelerated global warming caused by humans in the name of profit (greed) is an irresponsible and fatalistic position in light of the research that exists. We owe it to all of Gods creation to be proactive. It would be unrealistic to propose eliminating the use of fossil fuels. However, as Gods ambassadors to this planet we should at least entertain the possibility that our gluttonous consumption has led to the release of massive amounts of destructive pollutants.
If you haven’t noticed by now I’m not easily influenced by political rhetoric or propaganda. My opinion on this matter isn’t based on political wedges created to separate me from my vote. My opinion is based on my concerns for the health and well being of my children’s, children’s children and they are reliant on a clean environment. You explained the importance of a clean food perpetration environment to me. Think of our planet as a giant kitchen and ask yourself if you would drink a glass of water from the Ohio River faucet, lick the California coast line plate, carbonate your soft drink with Beijing air or transport and store your cleaning supplies in a broken down leaking storage container (infrastructure).
Why anyone would argue against a clean healthy environment is beyond me.
Obama a “buffoon?” Really?
A buffoon is a president who puts a flight suit over his coat and tie, lands on an aircraft carrier and declares “Mission Accomplished” one month into a 12-year (and counting) war.
If I’m the owner of a prime beachfront property in Miami, yes, I’m much more worried about melting glaciers and rising sea levels than ISIS or Vladimir Putin. I guess only “buffoons” worry that our existing infrastructure and agriculture patterns depend on the climate we’ve had for the past 200 years, not the last 20.
Yes, ISIS captured Ramadi. Yes, North Korea’s a mess, but no more so than it’s been over the last 15 years or so. Yes, Russia is still waging war in Ukraine. Would you have us intervene militarily to make them stop? Yes, middle east despots continue to seek nuclear weapons. That’s been true for most of my adult life, and as it happens, if Congress doesn’t f**k it up, an agreement with Iran is about to put serious brakes on that country’s weapons program. I’m not an in-the-tank cheerleader for President Obama, but I’m pretty sure he can handle more than one thing at a time, and not only that, he’s right. Climate change is absolutely a serious threat to the nation’s security, despite what dead-end deniers like Kevin say.
Jade,
There you go, supporting CO2 as a naturally occuring element neccessary for life, means I support sulfer dioxide, and methane, and mercury in the environment…I don’t support spitting those into the environment.
However, I want some reasonableness of sanity from environmental lefties. New ridiculous sewer plant standards, including phosphorus standards that are 10 times more strict, alone, are going to bankrupt the poor and middle class on water and sewer bills.
You will blast the poor and middle class, in terms of economics, with your radical notion about CO2, a radical notion which your president shares.
“Naturally occurring”. I think you’ve repeatedly defeated your own cause in this thread. Now you want to distract from the issue (and being wrong) by introducing new propaganda, radical notions and lefties. Your debate tactics are as weak as your positions and assumptions. Not to mention frustratingly boring. I’m still glad you will be left behind on this issue as your fellow conservatives and libertarians move toward common sense. Your views and opinions on this topic belong, as they are, with the minority.
Kevin, every single thing you wrote in response to me above is, well, wrong. Starting with the ludicrous notion that believing climate scientists constitutes something akin to religious faith instead of a simple acknowledgement of facts.
The rest of what I’m skimming here… equally ludicrous. I have about as much interest in listening to laypeople debate photosynthesis as I do in soliciting vaccination advice from Jenny McCarthy. It just so happens that we have a global community of experts who have been engaged in rigorous science on the subject for many decades. I don’t need to understand photosynthesis–or sunspots or anything else, really. Because I do understand science. I get how it works. (So should everyone with a high school or better education.) And as such I find it infinitely easier to trust what they’re telling us–and have been telling us with a pretty unified voice for many years–than it is for me to think they’re all just lying to us.
Scott,
Kevin decided to introduce the subject of photosynthesis, falsely, I might add. As for accusing me of being a layperson maybe you’d like to put your expert knowledge in the mix. Be careful what you assume to know about others you might find yourself easily embarrassed. Next time express your opinions without insulting me. You insulted Kevin (fine by me) and everyone else you’ve skimmed but you haven’t offered anything of substance to the debate. Do you have anything to offer or is this the role you play. If so, it’s weak.
I know nothing about you and didn’t mean to offend. I’ve observed, however, that a common denier tactic is to drag people into the weeds of scientific minutiae, when in fact neither I nor they have the background to make our comments matter. If we did we’d publish in Nature and impress the scientific community instead of railing at each other on blogs. All that’s needed for me to make up my mind is knowing how science works.
Scott,
Point taken and I agree. It’s easy to get baited into these pit falls. Obviously, your point about the science is all that really matters.
To the fool who is supposedly unbiased but really is just a stupid liberal.
I quoted Obama regarding him blaming Isis and Boko Harem from an audio tape that Obama talking. It was not a news report. It was not from an opinion writer or from Fox News. It was from Obama’s dumb mouth, in his own words.
Now, if Obama was being victimized by a ventriloquist, then maybe you may have something.
Now, mister unbiased, if I misquoted Obama, prove me wrong.
Otherwise, just shut up because you are just an ignorant fool.
Jade,
So you deny CO2 is “naturally occurring”?
Aside from 7 billion humans exhaling CO2 every second, any volcanic eruption can spew huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere that makes human generated CO2 mean nothing by comparison. Are you proposing scientists can have god like control over these natural events?
If you deny first premise, that is religion. If you accept second premise, that is a religion requiring enormous amounts of misplaced faith.
You deny being liberal, but based on fact you defend very radical liberal policy positions, me believing your claim/theory you are not liberal would be misplaced faith in your interpretation of the “evidence” as well.
Scott,
Remember above, you called climate change a belief system by calling out my “disbelief”.
Clearly, you want me to repent of my disbelief and embrace the belief.
I stand proud to be a heretic to the false liberal religion of global warming and so do many scientists who interpret the data differently.
I do have to give you compliments for the impassioned discipleship you show for your religious belief in warming, even though it’s a dangerous, false religion reducing humans to walking pollution.
Kevin,
Oh Kevin… Another weak attempt to skew the facts, my words and lead me off topic won’t make you right. As I said and as difficult as it is for you to accept you are in the minority on this issue even among conservatives. I don’t know why you insist on arguing about something that would ultimately benefit all of Gods creation. Me believing you’re claim/theory you are a Christian would be misplaced faith in your interpretation of the “evidence” as well. Time to put on your big boy pants and admit wrong… again!
Dan,
So, here it is, the real, actual unedited quote from President Obama that will prove you wrong (as challenged). However, before I share the quote, I would like to make it known… The only “stupid”, “ignorant fool ” with a “dumb mouth” is you. This is not a news report, it’s not from an opinion writer nor is it from Fox News. So, now Mister Dan, I will quote Obama and prove you wrong.
-President Obama’s commencement speech to the 2015 graduating class from he U.S. Coast Guard Academy:
“Understand, climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world. Yet what we also know is that severe drought helped create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Baka Haram.”
I reviewed three separate and independent versions of the speech in question and all read the same. Dan, just to clarify, I think you are a jackass… an absolute foolish, stupid, ignorant dumb mouthed jackass that has been victimized by a ventriloquist. Next time you challenge someone you should be damn sure you know what the hell your talking about.
Jade,
So you accept CO2 as naturally occurring now?
You did not seem to want to address this important problem in reducing every human to pollution in your global warming faith positioning.
How does the warming faith plan to stop volcanic eruptions? Not only are they large emitters of CO2, but have in course of history shifted the entire climate of planet for years. You propose your warming faith can stop these heavy emitting CO2 events which happen at random?
If you want evidence of my Christianity, you simply can look at my truck. Or you could follow me around for a week. Bible class Thurs at 10. Church 8 or 9:30 on Sun. Make visits to members and prospects as time and opportunity presents during the week. Let me know if you want to come along. I do pray during moment of silence at any government meeting.
Unlike global warming, those are observable concrete events by anyone. We cannot do that with global warming data, depending on the style of data collection and bias for the need for funding, the data is subject to conflicting interpretation depending on our passion and worship for big government .
Marxists have more passion for the warming faith having failed miserably, killing hundreds of millions in practice, last century. The warming faith gives hope that Stalinism can sound good again in trying to take over everything through the warming faith.
“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” – Thomas Paine
Kevin, learn the different ways to use the word “believe” and its derivatives. Belief, in a religious sense, is analogous to “faith.” That is, believing without (or in spite of) evidence. Belief, however, is also the word we use to describe a natural response to evidence. You may believe that Jesus rose from the dead. That’s not quite the same phenomenon as my belief that it is raining outside my window right now.
Kevin
Scott,
The fact that you witness it’s raining right now is an observation, not a belief. ( unless your senses deceive you, which is a whole other conversation.)
If I told you it’s raining outside, without you observing it or having any other data, and you accepted that, it is a belief that I have observed or gathered the data correctly. A form of faith.
That is the form of faith the global warming religion requires.
I see Jade, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
“Understand, climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world. Yet what we also know is that severe drought helped create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Baka Haram.”
So, the stupid one first says that climate change did not cause conflicts but then turns around that the drought helped create the instability in Nigeria.
Which is it? He is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. What causes drought, according to the climate change believers? Why it is climate change.
So, enough of you Jade. Take some reading classes. Learn to comprehend.
After that, come play with the big boys.
Dan,
You make yourself look more foolish with every letter you type.
Your original statement was:
“he said that Muslim uprising in Nigeria, Iraq, Libya etc. is because of global warming. He said that if there were no global warming/climate change, we would not have Boko Haram, Isis,or other Muslim terrorism because the crops have dried up, lack of water etc.”
I believe when using the word “he” you were referring to President Obama. I challenged your statement by saying you were ” misquoting, quoting out of context and then applying those standards in an unfair and unrealistic characterization of history”. Clearly, this remains the case. You challenged me “if I misquoted prove me wrong”. I proved your quotes are wrong and that you are a fool. As to the exact meaning of President Obama’s statement… There’s nothing I can say to change your confused mind. You still believe our president is a Muslim without citizenship and is trying to destroy our country. You truly are a puppet… No original thoughts only mocking the misguided opinions of others. Once again, I proved you wrong, I showed that you misquoted and that what you were misquoting was used out of context. You are a fool.