Is there a right time to wait? 1 day, 1 week, 1 year, never? Would it have been better if she just said, “My opponent supports and is supported by the NRA, I am not” and left it ambiguous? Because with this being the 18th school shooting this year, there apparently ISN’T ever a good time.
Because just a few weeks ago, I saw our President politicizing the death of a football player by an illegal immigrant. And it was pretty silent here for criticism.
jonnyv
on February 15, 2018 at 5:23 pm
I would LOVE to hear some TRUE conservative solutions to this problem. Some concrete policies that they feel would help reduce the number of shootings like this.
Or at least be honest and say that you feel a certain number of innocent lives are expendable for your freedom to carry weapons.
jsr
on February 15, 2018 at 7:14 pm
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to flip a switch and have the lights come on? (total US coal deaths estimate 10,000 deaths/trillion kWh)
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to use a swimming pool? (US unintentional drownings average 3,536 per year from 2005 – 2014)
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to travel by automobile? (US traffic deaths = 40,100 in 2017)
Or at least be honest and admit that you just think guns are icky.
jonnyv
on February 15, 2018 at 8:34 pm
On the contrary, I support the 2nd amendment. But with limits. I come from a family of hunters.
I find high capacity guns “icky”. I find semi automatic weapons icky. I find hollow point bullets icky. Bump stocks… icky.
But you didn’t put forth an answer to my question. And all the examples you gave have laws and restrictions to help limit their fatalities.
Paul
on February 15, 2018 at 9:48 pm
Except it wasn’t the 18th school shooting, waterhead.
Typical response for those with their head in the sand. To stop all violence, not only guns, but knives, pressure cookers, airplanes, fertilizer and rental trucks would have to be banned. Guns are only the tool used to perpetrate violence.
Violence is never acceptable. Violence is perpetrated by religious zealots, gang members, anti-government nuts and mental cases. Favorite targets are soft ones with little chance of resistance.
A few years ago, Amazon patented a predictive AI that would be able to analysis my buying habits and ship items to me before I knew I wanted to order them. Google knows what I had for lunch.
In a perfect world, the FBI would catch all terrorist before they act but overall they are doing a good job. Regards those with mental problems, there is plenty of room for improvement. It is time to make some changes to how society deals with the mentally ill. It is time to use all that data being sold to businesses to sell me new shoes and use it to identify those in need of help.
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 7:06 am
You lied, Jonny. I cited proof that you were lying.
Man up and admit you lied.
Jason
on February 16, 2018 at 7:17 am
Fits into her past…. She once rules that if you’re black and standing, you’re guilty of something and have no rights.
I am extremely disturbed with the liberal candidates and their ads for this spot on the court. Both Burns and Dallet are not viable for the supreme court.
jonnyv
on February 16, 2018 at 8:15 am
Paul, must be tough to not be smart enough to bring anything valid to a discussion, your life must suck.
Bill, so you want to change society? How? I am looking for actual things that can be done to help with the problem.
Or are you promoting big govt oversight on its civilians? Minority Report? Would you like to see schools become more like locked down prisons? Pay to retrofit schools? Pay for an armed guards at all 140000 schools in the country?
Or are you fine with how things are and willing to accept these casualties as the “cost of freedom”?
We won’t end violence, but why don’t we hear about all these other methods being used in these other countries as frequently as we have mass shootings? Is it just Americans that are “mentally ill”?
And using the term mentally ill is not correct. These are violent sociopaths. Most have no illness. Let’s not stigmatize those with true illnesses like depression in with these people. It is hard enough on the people with mental illness without throwing them in with these losers.
jonnyv
on February 16, 2018 at 8:30 am
How about this.
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon.
2. Training. 6 months of target, safety, and mental training regarding weapons before you can buy.
3. Licensing for all new weapon purchases.
Let’s start there. If you do these things, you can have a weapon.
Any legitimate concerns there?
Le Roi du Nord
on February 16, 2018 at 8:46 am
jonny:
I’m with you on this one. Your ideas are a good place to start. Keep up the good work.
The comments by Dallet are the talking points of the gun grabbers. Those ideas have not demonstrably succeeded in places like Chicago, Baltimore or Oakland. The alternative to ban firearms, stun sticks, tasers, paper spray, knives, pressure cookers, airplanes, fertilizer and rental trucks, will never work.
How about using the massive data collected by Amazon, Google and our government to better use than selling shoes? Identifying those in need of help would be a start.
Changing the ‘stabilize them and dump them back on the street‘ policy to something more benevolent would be another positive step.
We already have background checks that have time and again have failed demonstrating the ineptitude of bureaucrats in charge. Time to fire the dead weight controlling our government and get business professional involved to implement a working system.
I would like to see more training opportunities for those desiring all types of personal protection. I train people for free all the time on safety, self defense and threat assessment because of the high cost and limited resources available.
No solution(s) will catch all potential problems but we do not live in a perfect world. I think addressing the root of the problem, violent criminals, sociopaths and religious zealots, is the place to start.
Facebook, while deleting my posts on firearm disassembly, does allow a group called ‘Milkshakes against the Republican party’, which recently posted this, “Dear Crazed Shooters, The GOP has frequent baseball practice. You really wanna be remembered, that’s how you do it. Signed, Americans tired of our politicians bathing in the blood of the innocent for a few million dollars from the terrorist organization NRA,”
Wonder if Dallet is a member?
dad29
on February 16, 2018 at 10:08 am
I am looking for actual things that can be done to help with the problem.
OK, let’s start by putting lunatics into the asylum, permanently, instead of giving them pills and hoping they’ll go away.
The Second Amendment was NEVER about hunting, by the way. Maybe it was, in your publick screwel educational disaster….
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 10:15 am
If we put lunatics in the asylum permanently, that would get Lyin’ Jonny off the blog.
Great idea.
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 10:29 am
There is nothing on WCCA on that arrest or “conviction”.
Lyin’ Rhinelander lies again.
Le Roi du Nord
on February 16, 2018 at 11:18 am
A self proclaimed smart guy would know that not everything is on WCCA, especially stuff from 30 years ago. And he admitted it, was actually proud of it.
Wrong again paul, I don’t live in or near Rhinelander.
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 11:24 am
Not that Rhinelander, WN troll.
But tell us about baseball legends again. Or three 500-year floods to hit Houston in a year.
Major Booris
on February 16, 2018 at 11:47 am
“Changing the ‘stabilize them and dump them back on the street‘ policy to something more benevolent would be another positive step.”
“OK, let’s start by putting lunatics into the asylum, permanently, instead of giving them pills and hoping they’ll go away.”
1. You are proposing that the federal government collect data from private industries to create profiles on people? That seems a little distopian to me. Does this include all security camera footage from Amazon and Google Next products? How about everyone’s Alexa data? And when we find out that YOU are looking at gun information, and a few weeks ago you were looking up school information do we immediately flag you and not allow you to buy a gun? I can’t get behind this idea.
2. I would love to address the “root” of the problem. But you gave me no way to do that.
Dad. You say we should put the lunatics away. How many mass shootings would have been stopped by this. And how do you define that? Who do you consider a lunatic? What are your requirements for that? Many of these people had no serious criminal record.
My proposal is just a precaution. But if you want to get into statistics…
1. 54% of mass shooters have a history with domestic violence. How about if you ever lay a hand on someone you lose your right to a firearm?
2. Restricting private gun sales lowers the percentages of: women being shot by their partners, police officers being shot and gun trafficking.
So, how about we eliminate all private gun sales?
3. Many school gun deaths are caused from kids stealing their parents weapon. How about regular checkups on families with guns to verify that they are storing their weapon properly, and if not, they lose their 2nd amendment right? Of if your gun gets stolen. You lose your right?
All of those things could help. And I would support them, but I didn’t start with those. I started by trying to make it tougher for people who shouldn’t have guns, not penalize people who already do.
And so far, not one good suggestion has been given. Because you don’t think there should be any restrictions on gun rights. It sounds like you think that anyone should be able to buy any gun at ANY age. It sounds like you think that any gun should be legal and any restrictions are infringing on your 2nd amendment right (lets let people buy fully automatic weapons). It sounds like you think that casualties are just the cost of freedom and lets not do anything.
Oh, except for, “Get rid of the crazies!”. Good plan.
Obviously some choose to ignore the data collection already happening. If we can’t stop it, we might as well put it to good use. Then again, with the abuses already exposed, our current safeguards do not work and he FBI has proven their unable to cope with even the simplest task. Perhaps if one read my post “Time to fire the dead weight controlling our government and get business professional involved to implement a working system.” the idea might be viewed as it was intended.
jonnyv
on February 16, 2018 at 12:26 pm
I like that Paul continues to call me “waterhead” even after telling him my daughter suffers from encephalocele. Dude. Stay classy. Go take a Viagra, you clearly have a “performance” problem you are compensating for.
Bill, I hear that you are not happy with the current gov’t and you think that business leaders should be running things. But why do you think they have any better idea on this subject than either of us? I put my question out there AGAIN. What does a working system look like?
What was the FBI supposed to do? Monitor this kid 24/7? Detain him indefinitely? Sure would have been nice if his name would have been on a “do not sell” list, but when he bought privately, that wouldn’t have worked either.
dad29
on February 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm
This perp Cruz had EVERY sign of being a murderer, like dissecting small animals alive. AND there were 30 or so DV calls to his home over the last few years. If the bastard had been convicted, JUST ONCE, of DV, he would not be able to purchase a gun.
Allow me to clarify a bit: he’s mentally ill AND he was on drugs (SSRI’s) to ‘control’ it. That combination is a problem, and has been noted in at least a dozen ‘shooter’ cases in the last 10+ years, including Columbine and the Lanza kid.
I’m very chary of ‘mental illness’ diagnoses standing alone as disqualifiers. The Russkis had a lot of “mental illness” folks up in Siberia.
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Nobody cares about your problems, pussy. Cry about it some more.
Pat
on February 16, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Owen,
Would you like to chime in and remind an individual about acting like an adult again?
Paul
on February 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm
And the k-word dropper crawls from its hole….
jonnyv
on February 16, 2018 at 12:54 pm
Dad29, it sounds like he was troubled long before he was on any sort of drugs. And I am ALL FOR analyzing if a lot of these troubled kids are on anti-depressants or SSRI’s.
For the third time, my idea is “How about using the massive data collected by Amazon, Google and our government to better use than selling shoes? Identifying those in need of help would be a start.” which is NOTa detailed plan. Perhaps someone else, like maybe a software engineer with a degree in algorithmic analysis, might like to take a try at What does a working system look like?
Someone might take my idea of more training opportunities for those desiring all types of personal protection and come up with how we can get that done. The market for affordable training to the many that own a variety of products for self-protection is quite large.
jonnyv
on February 16, 2018 at 2:28 pm
Bill, I understand your plan. And as I stated, you are calling for government collection of private company data. Legally, they don’t have to turn over any of that data. I don’t doubt that they have lots of information that could help narrow down individuals who may be at risk, but I think you are running the risk of major privacy issues there. I don’t think that would fly with the American public at large when you tell them that all of your surfing and shopping habits are being turned over to the government to analyze your mental stability or possible future crimes. But, I give you credit for thinking outside the box.
***I think that the gov’t already has all that data anyway, but lets be naive and pretend they don’t.
dad29
on February 16, 2018 at 3:26 pm
Bill, Jonnyv is right.
MjM
on February 17, 2018 at 9:06 am
JV sez:
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon. 2. Training. 6 months of target, safety, and mental training regarding weapons before you can buy. 3. Licensing for all new weapon purchases.
Let’s start there. If you do these things, you can have a weapon.
Then JV sez:
1. You are proposing that the federal government collect data from private industries to create profiles on people? That seems a little distopian to me.
The contradiction is marvelous to behold. (And what, exactly, is “mental training”?)
Those of you who think you can somehow completely and permanently disarm those who desire and plan to cause mass destruction are delusional.
The simple solution is thus….
Single point of entry to all schools (or actually, any institution you wish).
Allow teachers who want to be armed to be armed. Not only will the knowledge of armed teachers be a major deterrent – the antithesis of the stupid open declarations of “Gun Free Zone” – but should it come to it, at a minimum, the engagement of a shooter by an armed teacher will draw the fire away from everybody else.
jonnyv
on February 17, 2018 at 12:59 pm
FWIW, I used the term “mental training” as a simpler way to say: situational & scenario based training. Sorry that hung you up.
Major Booris
on February 17, 2018 at 2:21 pm
“The simple solution is thus….
Single point of entry to all schools (or actually, any institution you wish).”
Single point of entry in the sense of all students and teachers going through some kind of security checkpoint (unintended consequence: the school day now ‘begins’ at 6am), or in the literal sense (unintended consequence: fires become about ten thousand times more lethal)?
Jason
on February 18, 2018 at 10:13 am
Wow, that’s some critical thinking there Major B…
/sarcasm
jsr
on February 18, 2018 at 10:53 am
First you said:
On the contrary, I support the 2nd amendment. But with limits.
Later you said:
How about this.
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon.
2. Training. 6 months of target, safety, and mental training regarding weapons before you can buy.
3. Licensing for all new weapon purchases.
Let’s start there. If you do these things, you can have a weapon.
Your support for the 2nd amendment seems pretty thin…
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 10:56 am
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon.
Never mind that a big contributor to the opioid crisis is doctors…
jonnyv
on February 18, 2018 at 3:19 pm
jsr, but the sounds of it, you don’t believe in ANY restrictions to the 2nd amendment. Apparently you think that ANYONE should be allowed to purchase ANY weapon they want. Lets end all background checks too then? Lets end the restrictions on fully-automatic weapons.
All of my suggestions do NOTHING to stop with your legal right to purchase a weapon of your choice.
And I find it funny that the same people arguing to not limit their 2nd amendment rights are going to be the same ones on here that want to make it harder for the people of WI to vote by forcing photo ids, restricting early voting, & limiting open voting times in the city of Milwaukee. Hypocrites.
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 5:33 pm
None of your proposals would have prevented last week’s shooting. Not a single one.
Your whining about voting is not germane to this conversation. In fact, there is no Constitutional right to vote.
And don’t even think about posting that fake news interview from non-source NPR where the congressman responsible for the budget rider that effectively ended federal research into gun violence in the mid-1990s says that he regrets – ah, whoops, finger slipped.
Because private funding of research never, ever happened.
My rights are not up for negotiation.
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 8:18 pm
2010: 72,659 NICS denials
34,459 were from individuals with felony convictions or indictments
13,862 were fugitives 44 were prosecuted
Le Roi du Nord
on February 18, 2018 at 8:48 pm
“INSKEEP: You’re saying there might be some way to not interfere with anybody’s right to own a gun but regulate it in such a way that fewer people are killed by guns?
DICKEY: That’s correct. I can’t tell you what that might be, but I know this. All this time that we have had, we would’ve found a solution, in my opinion. And I think it’s a shame that we haven’t.”
How about the rights of the victims??
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 9:29 pm
Like Kate Steinle?
Major Booris
on February 18, 2018 at 10:21 pm
“My rights are not up for negotiation.”
Somewhere, the National Firearms Act of 1934 bursts out laughing.
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 10:54 pm
Too bad your idiot grandkids weren’t Lyle and Erik Menendez
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 11:04 pm
Oh, and I can still acquire a machine gun.
So fuck your 1934 Act. Cuck.
Major Booris
on February 18, 2018 at 11:27 pm
With, among other things, ATF approval, an extensive background check, and payment of a transfer tax. Paying the government for the privilege of letting you exercise your ‘non-negotiable rights’ seems like a contradiction in terms, but what’s a silly cuck like me know?
Paul
on February 18, 2018 at 11:39 pm
I’m not the one whose wife is getting plowed by the UPS driver.
Fuckwad.
MjM
on February 20, 2018 at 8:32 am
“Single point of entry in the sense of all students and teachers going through some kind of security checkpoint (unintended consequence: the school day now ‘begins’ at 6am),…..”
Most schools have a large main entry to a main lobby that can accommodate hundreds if not thousands of people in minutes (think: school plays, concerts, sporting events). Your concerns easily abided.
….. “ or in the literal sense (unintended consequence: fires become about ten thousand times more lethal)?”
Silly me, assuming everyone knew the difference between ‘entry’ and ‘exit’.
Major Booris
on February 20, 2018 at 10:29 am
Let’s use my high school as an example – total enrollment about 1,500. There are two sets of two double doors serving the bus lot, another double door at the corner, two more for the student parking lot, and a staff entrance.
Making everyone go through the bus lot doors wouldn’t be too bad by itself, but I’m assuming you want some kind of security procedure for people coming in. Metal detector? Bag check? X-ray? How many kids are gonna trip the alarm each morning with a belt buckle or nail clippers? Let’s be generous and say the checkpoint add an average of ten seconds to an individual’s morning routine. At my school, with four checkpoints, that still adds up to an extra hour each day, and we haven’t even gotten to the fun part of figuring out how to pay for the security staff.
Also, criminals are a crafty lot, just as capable of ignoring gun-free zone signs, as of shooting the lock on a fire exit.
jjf
on February 20, 2018 at 1:00 pm
Again I remind you to google “bang bang sanity” and read Stonekettle Station’s suggestion that one good step forward would be to put the NRA’s own gun safety rules into law.
Is there a right time to wait? 1 day, 1 week, 1 year, never? Would it have been better if she just said, “My opponent supports and is supported by the NRA, I am not” and left it ambiguous? Because with this being the 18th school shooting this year, there apparently ISN’T ever a good time.
Because just a few weeks ago, I saw our President politicizing the death of a football player by an illegal immigrant. And it was pretty silent here for criticism.
I would LOVE to hear some TRUE conservative solutions to this problem. Some concrete policies that they feel would help reduce the number of shootings like this.
Or at least be honest and say that you feel a certain number of innocent lives are expendable for your freedom to carry weapons.
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to flip a switch and have the lights come on? (total US coal deaths estimate 10,000 deaths/trillion kWh)
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to use a swimming pool? (US unintentional drownings average 3,536 per year from 2005 – 2014)
Are a certain number of innocent lives expendable for your ability to travel by automobile? (US traffic deaths = 40,100 in 2017)
Or at least be honest and admit that you just think guns are icky.
On the contrary, I support the 2nd amendment. But with limits. I come from a family of hunters.
I find high capacity guns “icky”. I find semi automatic weapons icky. I find hollow point bullets icky. Bump stocks… icky.
But you didn’t put forth an answer to my question. And all the examples you gave have laws and restrictions to help limit their fatalities.
Except it wasn’t the 18th school shooting, waterhead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.afdf570a40f4
Ha Paul. Even if it is the 5th, that is 1 every 9 days. That doesn’t change the argument. And like normal you bring nothing useful to any discussion.
Typical response for those with their head in the sand. To stop all violence, not only guns, but knives, pressure cookers, airplanes, fertilizer and rental trucks would have to be banned. Guns are only the tool used to perpetrate violence.
Violence is never acceptable. Violence is perpetrated by religious zealots, gang members, anti-government nuts and mental cases. Favorite targets are soft ones with little chance of resistance.
A few years ago, Amazon patented a predictive AI that would be able to analysis my buying habits and ship items to me before I knew I wanted to order them. Google knows what I had for lunch.
In a perfect world, the FBI would catch all terrorist before they act but overall they are doing a good job. Regards those with mental problems, there is plenty of room for improvement. It is time to make some changes to how society deals with the mentally ill. It is time to use all that data being sold to businesses to sell me new shoes and use it to identify those in need of help.
You lied, Jonny. I cited proof that you were lying.
Man up and admit you lied.
Fits into her past…. She once rules that if you’re black and standing, you’re guilty of something and have no rights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/1038468001
I am extremely disturbed with the liberal candidates and their ads for this spot on the court. Both Burns and Dallet are not viable for the supreme court.
Paul, must be tough to not be smart enough to bring anything valid to a discussion, your life must suck.
Bill, so you want to change society? How? I am looking for actual things that can be done to help with the problem.
Or are you promoting big govt oversight on its civilians? Minority Report? Would you like to see schools become more like locked down prisons? Pay to retrofit schools? Pay for an armed guards at all 140000 schools in the country?
Or are you fine with how things are and willing to accept these casualties as the “cost of freedom”?
We won’t end violence, but why don’t we hear about all these other methods being used in these other countries as frequently as we have mass shootings? Is it just Americans that are “mentally ill”?
And using the term mentally ill is not correct. These are violent sociopaths. Most have no illness. Let’s not stigmatize those with true illnesses like depression in with these people. It is hard enough on the people with mental illness without throwing them in with these losers.
How about this.
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon.
2. Training. 6 months of target, safety, and mental training regarding weapons before you can buy.
3. Licensing for all new weapon purchases.
Let’s start there. If you do these things, you can have a weapon.
Any legitimate concerns there?
jonny:
I’m with you on this one. Your ideas are a good place to start. Keep up the good work.
And FYI: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2017/10/30/wisconsin-supreme-court-candidates-1989-arrests-abortion-protests-provide-window-into-his-views/808317001/
The comments by Dallet are the talking points of the gun grabbers. Those ideas have not demonstrably succeeded in places like Chicago, Baltimore or Oakland. The alternative to ban firearms, stun sticks, tasers, paper spray, knives, pressure cookers, airplanes, fertilizer and rental trucks, will never work.
How about using the massive data collected by Amazon, Google and our government to better use than selling shoes? Identifying those in need of help would be a start.
Changing the ‘stabilize them and dump them back on the street‘ policy to something more benevolent would be another positive step.
We already have background checks that have time and again have failed demonstrating the ineptitude of bureaucrats in charge. Time to fire the dead weight controlling our government and get business professional involved to implement a working system.
I would like to see more training opportunities for those desiring all types of personal protection. I train people for free all the time on safety, self defense and threat assessment because of the high cost and limited resources available.
No solution(s) will catch all potential problems but we do not live in a perfect world. I think addressing the root of the problem, violent criminals, sociopaths and religious zealots, is the place to start.
Facebook, while deleting my posts on firearm disassembly, does allow a group called ‘Milkshakes against the Republican party’, which recently posted this, “Dear Crazed Shooters, The GOP has frequent baseball practice. You really wanna be remembered, that’s how you do it. Signed, Americans tired of our politicians bathing in the blood of the innocent for a few million dollars from the terrorist organization NRA,”
Wonder if Dallet is a member?
OK, let’s start by putting lunatics into the asylum, permanently, instead of giving them pills and hoping they’ll go away.
The Second Amendment was NEVER about hunting, by the way. Maybe it was, in your publick screwel educational disaster….
If we put lunatics in the asylum permanently, that would get Lyin’ Jonny off the blog.
Great idea.
There is nothing on WCCA on that arrest or “conviction”.
Lyin’ Rhinelander lies again.
A self proclaimed smart guy would know that not everything is on WCCA, especially stuff from 30 years ago. And he admitted it, was actually proud of it.
Wrong again paul, I don’t live in or near Rhinelander.
Not that Rhinelander, WN troll.
But tell us about baseball legends again. Or three 500-year floods to hit Houston in a year.
“Changing the ‘stabilize them and dump them back on the street‘ policy to something more benevolent would be another positive step.”
“OK, let’s start by putting lunatics into the asylum, permanently, instead of giving them pills and hoping they’ll go away.”
Something like the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, maybe?
billphoto. A couple of things.
1. You are proposing that the federal government collect data from private industries to create profiles on people? That seems a little distopian to me. Does this include all security camera footage from Amazon and Google Next products? How about everyone’s Alexa data? And when we find out that YOU are looking at gun information, and a few weeks ago you were looking up school information do we immediately flag you and not allow you to buy a gun? I can’t get behind this idea.
2. I would love to address the “root” of the problem. But you gave me no way to do that.
Dad. You say we should put the lunatics away. How many mass shootings would have been stopped by this. And how do you define that? Who do you consider a lunatic? What are your requirements for that? Many of these people had no serious criminal record.
My proposal is just a precaution. But if you want to get into statistics…
1. 54% of mass shooters have a history with domestic violence. How about if you ever lay a hand on someone you lose your right to a firearm?
2. Restricting private gun sales lowers the percentages of: women being shot by their partners, police officers being shot and gun trafficking.
So, how about we eliminate all private gun sales?
3. Many school gun deaths are caused from kids stealing their parents weapon. How about regular checkups on families with guns to verify that they are storing their weapon properly, and if not, they lose their 2nd amendment right? Of if your gun gets stolen. You lose your right?
All of those things could help. And I would support them, but I didn’t start with those. I started by trying to make it tougher for people who shouldn’t have guns, not penalize people who already do.
And so far, not one good suggestion has been given. Because you don’t think there should be any restrictions on gun rights. It sounds like you think that anyone should be able to buy any gun at ANY age. It sounds like you think that any gun should be legal and any restrictions are infringing on your 2nd amendment right (lets let people buy fully automatic weapons). It sounds like you think that casualties are just the cost of freedom and lets not do anything.
Oh, except for, “Get rid of the crazies!”. Good plan.
About that laying a hand on someone…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban
Delete your account, waterhead
Why does JonnyV hate the Fourth Amendment?
Why does JonnyV have the grammatical skillset of an epileptic penguin?
And the FBI admitted they fucked up and never followed protocol on legitimate reports on Nikolas Cruz.
But pissant tyrants like JonnyV want the cops to enforce his fascist plans.
Obviously some choose to ignore the data collection already happening. If we can’t stop it, we might as well put it to good use. Then again, with the abuses already exposed, our current safeguards do not work and he FBI has proven their unable to cope with even the simplest task. Perhaps if one read my post “Time to fire the dead weight controlling our government and get business professional involved to implement a working system.” the idea might be viewed as it was intended.
I like that Paul continues to call me “waterhead” even after telling him my daughter suffers from encephalocele. Dude. Stay classy. Go take a Viagra, you clearly have a “performance” problem you are compensating for.
Bill, I hear that you are not happy with the current gov’t and you think that business leaders should be running things. But why do you think they have any better idea on this subject than either of us? I put my question out there AGAIN. What does a working system look like?
What was the FBI supposed to do? Monitor this kid 24/7? Detain him indefinitely? Sure would have been nice if his name would have been on a “do not sell” list, but when he bought privately, that wouldn’t have worked either.
This perp Cruz had EVERY sign of being a murderer, like dissecting small animals alive. AND there were 30 or so DV calls to his home over the last few years. If the bastard had been convicted, JUST ONCE, of DV, he would not be able to purchase a gun.
Allow me to clarify a bit: he’s mentally ill AND he was on drugs (SSRI’s) to ‘control’ it. That combination is a problem, and has been noted in at least a dozen ‘shooter’ cases in the last 10+ years, including Columbine and the Lanza kid.
I’m very chary of ‘mental illness’ diagnoses standing alone as disqualifiers. The Russkis had a lot of “mental illness” folks up in Siberia.
Nobody cares about your problems, pussy. Cry about it some more.
Owen,
Would you like to chime in and remind an individual about acting like an adult again?
And the k-word dropper crawls from its hole….
Dad29, it sounds like he was troubled long before he was on any sort of drugs. And I am ALL FOR analyzing if a lot of these troubled kids are on anti-depressants or SSRI’s.
For the third time, my idea is “How about using the massive data collected by Amazon, Google and our government to better use than selling shoes? Identifying those in need of help would be a start.” which is NOTa detailed plan. Perhaps someone else, like maybe a software engineer with a degree in algorithmic analysis, might like to take a try at What does a working system look like?
Someone might take my idea of more training opportunities for those desiring all types of personal protection and come up with how we can get that done. The market for affordable training to the many that own a variety of products for self-protection is quite large.
Bill, I understand your plan. And as I stated, you are calling for government collection of private company data. Legally, they don’t have to turn over any of that data. I don’t doubt that they have lots of information that could help narrow down individuals who may be at risk, but I think you are running the risk of major privacy issues there. I don’t think that would fly with the American public at large when you tell them that all of your surfing and shopping habits are being turned over to the government to analyze your mental stability or possible future crimes. But, I give you credit for thinking outside the box.
***I think that the gov’t already has all that data anyway, but lets be naive and pretend they don’t.
Bill, Jonnyv is right.
JV sez:
1. Police and doctor approval before being allowed to buy a weapon.
2. Training. 6 months of target, safety, and mental training regarding weapons before you can buy.
3. Licensing for all new weapon purchases.
Let’s start there. If you do these things, you can have a weapon.
Then JV sez:
1. You are proposing that the federal government collect data from private industries to create profiles on people? That seems a little distopian to me.
The contradiction is marvelous to behold. (And what, exactly, is “mental training”?)
Those of you who think you can somehow completely and permanently disarm those who desire and plan to cause mass destruction are delusional.
The simple solution is thus….
Single point of entry to all schools (or actually, any institution you wish).
Allow teachers who want to be armed to be armed. Not only will the knowledge of armed teachers be a major deterrent – the antithesis of the stupid open declarations of “Gun Free Zone” – but should it come to it, at a minimum, the engagement of a shooter by an armed teacher will draw the fire away from everybody else.
FWIW, I used the term “mental training” as a simpler way to say: situational & scenario based training. Sorry that hung you up.
“The simple solution is thus….
Single point of entry to all schools (or actually, any institution you wish).”
Single point of entry in the sense of all students and teachers going through some kind of security checkpoint (unintended consequence: the school day now ‘begins’ at 6am), or in the literal sense (unintended consequence: fires become about ten thousand times more lethal)?
Wow, that’s some critical thinking there Major B…
/sarcasm
First you said:
Later you said:
Your support for the 2nd amendment seems pretty thin…
Never mind that a big contributor to the opioid crisis is doctors…
jsr, but the sounds of it, you don’t believe in ANY restrictions to the 2nd amendment. Apparently you think that ANYONE should be allowed to purchase ANY weapon they want. Lets end all background checks too then? Lets end the restrictions on fully-automatic weapons.
All of my suggestions do NOTHING to stop with your legal right to purchase a weapon of your choice.
And I find it funny that the same people arguing to not limit their 2nd amendment rights are going to be the same ones on here that want to make it harder for the people of WI to vote by forcing photo ids, restricting early voting, & limiting open voting times in the city of Milwaukee. Hypocrites.
None of your proposals would have prevented last week’s shooting. Not a single one.
Your whining about voting is not germane to this conversation. In fact, there is no Constitutional right to vote.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-we-cant-paul-ryan-suggests-collect-the-facts-guns?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Maddow is not a source.
And don’t even think about posting that fake news interview from non-source NPR where the congressman responsible for the budget rider that effectively ended federal research into gun violence in the mid-1990s says that he regrets – ah, whoops, finger slipped.
https://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/447098666/ex-rep-dickey-regrets-restrictive-law-on-gun-violence-research
Because private funding of research never, ever happened.
My rights are not up for negotiation.
2010:
72,659 NICS denials
34,459 were from individuals with felony convictions or indictments
13,862 were fugitives
44 were prosecuted
“INSKEEP: You’re saying there might be some way to not interfere with anybody’s right to own a gun but regulate it in such a way that fewer people are killed by guns?
DICKEY: That’s correct. I can’t tell you what that might be, but I know this. All this time that we have had, we would’ve found a solution, in my opinion. And I think it’s a shame that we haven’t.”
How about the rights of the victims??
Like Kate Steinle?
“My rights are not up for negotiation.”
Somewhere, the National Firearms Act of 1934 bursts out laughing.
Too bad your idiot grandkids weren’t Lyle and Erik Menendez
Oh, and I can still acquire a machine gun.
So fuck your 1934 Act. Cuck.
With, among other things, ATF approval, an extensive background check, and payment of a transfer tax. Paying the government for the privilege of letting you exercise your ‘non-negotiable rights’ seems like a contradiction in terms, but what’s a silly cuck like me know?
I’m not the one whose wife is getting plowed by the UPS driver.
Fuckwad.
“Single point of entry in the sense of all students and teachers going through some kind of security checkpoint (unintended consequence: the school day now ‘begins’ at 6am),…..”
Most schools have a large main entry to a main lobby that can accommodate hundreds if not thousands of people in minutes (think: school plays, concerts, sporting events). Your concerns easily abided.
….. “ or in the literal sense (unintended consequence: fires become about ten thousand times more lethal)?”
Silly me, assuming everyone knew the difference between ‘entry’ and ‘exit’.
Let’s use my high school as an example – total enrollment about 1,500. There are two sets of two double doors serving the bus lot, another double door at the corner, two more for the student parking lot, and a staff entrance.
Making everyone go through the bus lot doors wouldn’t be too bad by itself, but I’m assuming you want some kind of security procedure for people coming in. Metal detector? Bag check? X-ray? How many kids are gonna trip the alarm each morning with a belt buckle or nail clippers? Let’s be generous and say the checkpoint add an average of ten seconds to an individual’s morning routine. At my school, with four checkpoints, that still adds up to an extra hour each day, and we haven’t even gotten to the fun part of figuring out how to pay for the security staff.
Also, criminals are a crafty lot, just as capable of ignoring gun-free zone signs, as of shooting the lock on a fire exit.
Again I remind you to google “bang bang sanity” and read Stonekettle Station’s suggestion that one good step forward would be to put the NRA’s own gun safety rules into law.