Piers Morgan, of all people, makes an excellent point.
I have some breaking news.
Next year’s Met Gala is going to have an ‘Islam’ theme.
Yes, guests in 2019 will be encouraged to wear skimpy, provocative dresses that ‘celebrate’ the Prophet Mohammad, Islamic clothing including hijabs and burqas, and the Koran.
I can also reveal that the 2020 Met Gala will have a ‘Jewish’ theme.
Yes, a bunch of celebrities and models will be posing for the world’s paparazzi dressed in all manner of Jewish attire and regalia, including dressing up as Rabbis and wearing kippahs.
Oh, wait.
Neither of these things is actually going to happen.
In fact, just by suggesting it, I’m sure I will be subjecting myself to immediate anger from many Muslims and Jews.
The Met wouldn’t dream of having an Islam or Jewish themed, but Catholicism is apparently fine. Monday night was titled ‘Heavenly Bodies: Fashion and the Catholic Imagination’ and the stars and their designers threw themselves into the theme. Rihanna came as a silver PopeYet apparently it’s absolutely fine to have a ‘Catholic’ theme, as we saw at last night’s Met Gala.
Christianity, it would seem, is fair game for a mocking fashion parade.
I guess that Christianity is more tolerant than the other beliefs mentioned.
And your argument loses a little validity when the Archbishop of NY shows up.
According to The New York Times, Archbishop Georg Gänswein — Prefecture of the Papal Household under Pope Francis — collaborated with the Met’s curator Andrew Bolton to put together a collection of pieces that showed the way the Catholic Church served as an inspiration to designers throughout history. Religious vestments were lent to flush out the exhibit. Cardinal Dolan, the Archbishop of New York, even attended the Gala as a guest, posing with A-listers like George Clooney.
If the Jewish community and religious figures participated in a similar event in the future then there shouldn’t be an issue. It is when something like this is done without the participation or approval of a group that things go downhill.
Tasteless twits like Rihanna are simply tasteless twits. Like the poor, they will be with us forever. Besides, it is impolite to smite them in public.
Say, Dad29, what’s your favorite way to insult Islam?
Godless agents of Satan doing what they do…rejecting Christ and mocking Christ at every chance.
Maybe they’re celebrating?
Pat,
Hollywood celebrating God’s design for marriage (one man, one woman) in Matthew 19 and Mark 10?
That is an interesting perspective. When did hollywood start doing that?
I guess if you’re a snowflake you’d be upset. Oh well, so be it. Everyone needs something to be offended about these day.
What about the other seven types of marriage in the Bible?
Do you think you’ve ever disrespected Islam or Judaism?
Pat,
Since when is criticizing stupidity make one a “snowflake”? I didn’t call for them to be banned, prosecuted, boycotted, or otherwise punished.
Snowflakes try to shut down people. I do no such thing. Worst thing I do is call leftists what they are: evil.
jjf,
That piece is written by a godless atheist who does not understand New testament covenant has fullfilled Old testament civil and ceremonial Law of Israel. It’s a common misunderstanding with those that choose to reign in the darkness. Ephesians 4:18 “They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.”
Kevin,
Sounds like you need a safe space.
Everybody that disagrees with k is a godless atheist. And k is the only one authorized to interpret the bible. Just so we all understand those concepts.
Pat,
Not really. However I will defend the faith when the godless smear it.
Nord,
I’ll bite. How can one ignore Matthew 19 and Mark 10 and still say they are following God’s design for marriage? An actual Christian will not dismiss the direct words of Jesus about marriage.
k:
I’m not into biting. But if that spins you, go for it.
But you deflected from the topic. You disagree with the piece supplied by JJF, so that makes anybody that does agree with it, or those like me who don’t really care, godless atheists. Pretty big assumptions on your part, and judgemental as well. But then you never judge others, right?
Says a lot when Cuck Robinson lets Le Roi du White Nationalist attack Kevin without reprisal.
The term “stiff-necked” fits one or more of the commenters here, Kevin. Christ defined the union of Adam and Eve as “marriage,” and OT variations were tolerated (not necessarily sanctioned) because the Jews were ‘stiff-necked.’
We agree to accept Christ’s definition–unless we are ‘stiff-necked.’ IYKWIMAITYD
> or those like me who don’t really care…
And yet you sure spend a lot of your waking time here arguing senselessly with K on just about everything. Under the guise of “presenting facts and truths” but the only fact /truth is that you are wasting your time. Have fun basement dweller, we all know the real truth.
Nord,
A Christian, in the light of Christ, would NOT write that article, they would denounce it as the work of the godless and Satan.
It’s not about “judgement” of a repentant sinner (which is another biblical misconception you have), it is about DISCERNMENT of right and wrong, a biblical duty every Christian has when faced with choice to stand up for truth about marriage or the lies spread by the godless.
Why is your mission in life to discredit Christianity and the bible? When you do it, could you at least try to have a minimal level of understanding how the New Testament covenant of Christ’s grace fullfills and overwrites Old Testament civil and ceremomnial law of Israel?
You are invited to bible class anytime.
I don’t think anyone was out to mock Christianity at the Met Gala. As the Gala is all about fashion, and fashion comes through a lot of influences. Monday nights theme was not found to be offensive to the Catholic Church. So I don’t think it should be offensive by a couple Lutherans.
Waiting for evidence of any of the 10,000 plus “Gods “ man has created through history .
Pat,
It was almost painful to read that. Hollywood is not setting out to mock Christianity at this gala?
They would lose their godless liberal Democrat card if anyone in Hollywood is caught being nice to anyone Christian.
Kevin,
Please show proof how they were mocking Christian doctrine.
Pat,
You can mock Christians without mocking doctrine.
This gala had LGBT overtones, that alone, is mocking Christian doctrine.
So this gets back to the point of article, you justify the liberal hate, because you are cool with it.
Kevin,
I respectfully disagree with you and your reasoning. But that’s what I love, and cherish, about being an American. We are allowed to believe what we like, even if someone else feels it’s misguided. Everyone has the right to be wrong.
Monday nights theme was not found to be offensive to the Catholic Church.
And therein lies the problem with the catholic church.
Now headed by an outright communist, that the church proudly lent articles and AB Dolan (a man I used to highly regard as a guardian of the original teachings) happily attended this slut walk hastens the decline of catholicism.
Evidently the Church saw it as harmless and didn’t see the Gala as something that would upset political sensitivities.
Pat,
As long as we have you on the record that its “cool” to mock Christians.
I thought today’s position on bullying required sensitivity training at the very least….oh that’s right, the capability to offend only applies to white, Christian, males.
Evidently the Church saw it as harmless…
But you repeat yourself, while completely missing my point regarding that fact.
….and didn’t see the Gala as something that would upset political sensitivities.
It has nothing to do with the political.
Kevin,
I didn’t see the event as mocking Christians.
MjM,
Ok, you saw it as a “slut” walk. And other people saw it differently. So what? We have a totally immoral President that I doubt you’re as outraged over. What lessons does that teach our children and grandchildren?
Wrong.
Cdl. Dolan ‘saw it as harmless,’ and perhaps some in Rome agreed with him.
Other Catholics, myself included, think that the basic idea was just fine; the execution was sorely lacking in maturity, judgment, and restraint.
We have a totally immoral President that I doubt you’re as outraged over.
The president does not claim to be my spiritual leader (although Obama certainly sees himself in such manner). Nor do I grant any president such importance.
That you continue to conflate the two jobs shows your ignorance of the issue at hand.
What lessons does that teach our children and grandchildren?
Simple: do not create gods of men.
Okay, so you shouldn’t be outraged by the Met Gala, as those attending aren’t your spiritual leaders either.
And, I won’t sink to your level by insinuating that you’re being ignorant.
Got it, Dad29. You and Kevin are tolerant of other forms of marriage, and I’m the stiff-necked one for disapproving of slavery and rape.
…as those attending aren’t your spiritual leaders either.
Laws! You are dense! Those claiming to be my spiritual leaders not only attended, they facilitated, and promoted the event. Without their approval and artifacts it would not have occurred as it did.
Indeed, I would expect Dolan to speak out against such anti-catholic, anti-Christian debauchery.
Or, perhaps you haven’t heard: we are not to make and adore graven images. You know; idolatry, false gods, and all that Judeo-Christian mumbo-jumbo.
But you do you. I admit it is rather fascinating to see you accept the objectification of women.
I don’t know if they claim to be YOUR spiritual leader. I know for sure they’re not Kevin’s. Do you claim that they ARE your spiritual leaders? If so, why do you follow if you’re outraged? Do not create gods of men.
Pat,
No one is looking to godless Hollywood for spirituality . Just looking for some decency from the cesspool.
I guess decency is too much to ask for.
I’m looking for some decency from Washington. So far I’ve been disappointed by the lack of morality.
While Abp of Milwaukee, H.E. Dolan refused to speak out against Doyle Administration chemical-abortion policies. He subsequently dumped Pro-Life Wisconsin–a 100% pro-life outfit–in favor of Wis Right-to-Life, which was a “Bush-like” outfit, approving of artificial birth control.
Perhaps Dolan’s wiggle on that matter will be fruitful, but it has not been such up to now.
As to the Met Gala: you expect WHAT from a Cheesehead-wearer?
Dad sez: Dolan refused to speak out against Doyle Administration chemical-abortion policies
“The laws of biology and reason, as well as the teaching of the Catholic Church, make clear that compassionate care of women who have suffered the tragedy of rape includes emergency contraception. But, should conception have already occurred, “emergency contraception” can become abortifacient and, in this instance, our compassionate care for a child possibly conceived stands alongside our compassionate care for the woman who was raped. Emergency contraception can, at times, amount to abortion, and both reason and our faith tell us that this is never acceptable. About this we must be very clear.“ – letter to WI State Legistlature, signed by Dolan and Bishops Listecki, Morlino, and Christensen, 2/25/08
I have no knowledge and find no evidence on your allegegation of a switch from PLW to RTL, so I can’t comment on that. I will, however, say that Dolan has always been a staunch defender of life. Including those embryos UW wanted to destroy.
Dad asks: you expect WHAT from a Cheesehead-wearer?
A sense of humor is God given. To equate the Met with this is, frankly, absurd. I do fear that Dolan may have absorbed a bit of ‘coastal’, to what degree unknown. This is matter of simply being ensconced in the relentless environment, and the usual failure of man.
(FWIW, Dolan’s choice of headgear in 2002 was really nothing new. 35 years prior the pastor at my parish – and grade school – always wore green and gold vestments on Packer Sundays, and always took the early masses so he could be done by game time. He also knew which of us altar boys would volunteer to be there at 7am, too.)
No one is perfect. Say what you will of Dolan. But then compare him to his predecessor.
For whatever reason, Abp Dolan’s objections which you cite (thanks!) never were mentioned by any of the local TeeVee or (to my knowledge) the local newspaper. If he were vocal enough about it, that coverage would have certainly emerged, ain’a?
I grant you that the ‘cheesehead’ thing was meant to be humorous, as is the “wearing green/gold” line (not reserved to your former pastor, by the way. What I do NOT grant is that it was apropos in the setting–inside a church. I grew out of that phase at the age of 25 or so (far too late, I regret to say). The American/British penchant for that sort of humor has its place. We will likely disagree over exactly what that ‘place’ is.
Yes, I know about his predecessor. Most people don’t know that the problem actually began with Weakland’s predecessor –specifically, the rector of the seminary–and that problem has hobbled both Dolan and Listecki.
Oremus
If he were vocal enough about it, that coverage would have certainly emerged, ain’a?
You are joking, yes? Besides, unlike Groppists, Dolan didn’t work through the press (which explains my bewilderment and sadness of his actions regarding the Met).
What I do NOT grant is that it was apropos in the setting–inside a church.
Except, it was not inside a church. And he put it on only briefly, during his outdoor homily, on a Sunday that happened to also be NFL Season Opener, while introducing himself after being installed only 10 days prior, and to explaining that, while a St. Louis Cardinals baseball fan, he most certainly had always been a Packer Backer.
We had another priest at our parish. Stern. Strict. Quick with discipline and scowling correction. But even as a 6th-grade alter boy I knew he was somehow “off”; he was the only priest who required us to dump the entire cruet of wine – I’d say it was jigger or more – into the chalice, which he slammed down like an Irish sailor. His name was Effinger. You may/may not know the name. He died in prison in 1996.
You’ll pardon me, but I’ll take the affable shepherd over the Vatican authoritarian.
Bail ó Dhia ort
Yah. A priest-friend of my family was stuck with Effinger in the Sheboygan parish.
Distinction/difference: cheesehead during Mass, but NOT inside a church.
Don’t care. He’s gone, and the current guy is just fine.
Here’s a link in case anyone wants to read about Effinger.