Of course they did. The don’t want to have their predominately white student body be associated with Indians, right? I say that tongue-in-cheek, but it can’t be far off when a white, liberal school superintendent and school board decide to reject any association with an entire race of people. This was rigged from the beginning with a very thin veneer of giving a crap about the public. So much for self-governance in Menomonee Falls.
MENOMONEE FALLS — The battle over the use of the “Indians” nickname in the Menomonee Falls School District is over. After weeks of discussion, the Menomonee Falls School Board voted 5-2 on Monday night, Dec. 9 to retire the “Indians” nickname.
In a previous meeting, the superintendent of Menomonee Falls School District recommended the nickname be retired at the end of the school year.
White guy writing article about other white people deciding that a predominantly white area is using a minority-based insensitive mascot. Interesting. (And now a white guy commenting on it. Although I am 1/32 Flat Head tribe. But the other 31/32 is Norwegian.)
I honestly don’t know, were there ANY Native American groups who stood up and said that they backed the “Indians” name? If not, then that is a good clue right there that it is probably time for it to go.
I honestly don’t see why people dig their heels in so much for some of these things. If a non-insignificant group of people find something insulting, hurtful, or even racist then what is the harm in changing it. I don’t understand the attachment to a nickname. I just have visions of Al Bundy-esque people putting on a letter jacket that is too small for them now and thinking about their glory days afraid their history will be wiped out.
Language changes, symbols change, everything evolves. There are words that we freely used when we were younger that no longer pass the political correctness test, so guess what… we stop using them.
This is really a subject that confuses me. I don’t think that the people of the Falls are racist as a whole. But I think that they are afraid to change and admit that they may NOW be on the wrong side of history.
Voters can remedy the problem if they so choose, but they won’t. These are the same voters so easily sold on every bloated school district spending referendum they see. The few who care will be drowned out by the apathy of those who don’t.
Racist liberals are the biggest threat to our democracy.
First you say it, then you say you’re joking. Then you say it must be true.
Really. You think their action is racist. You think they want to disassociate from native Americans because… why? They secretly think native Americans are inferior? All the reasons they no doubt gave – all fake, because they’re secretly holding racist ideas?
Considering there are several tribal reservation schools have the nickname related to Indians, I guess these tribal schools are also racist.
Where’s the line, Mar, and can you think of any examples that have crossed the line? What’s a racist mascot and what isn’t?
JV hides: “… the people of the Falls…”
Strange that you left out the Menomonee part. Why? Your Norwegian white guilt getting to you?
But in that vein, I suggest then it is only proper to remove any and all references to American Indians in all counties, villages, towns, cities. Wabeno should become Beano, Sheboygan becomes Bouy, Kenosha goes back to Pike Creek, Menomonee Falls changes to Chicken Falls, and Milwaukee becomes Crap City.
Wausau, Ashwaubenon, Tomah, Neena, Menasha, Shawano, Waupaca, Minocqua, Occonomowoc. On and on.
Let’s just get rid of all the horrible ‘cultural appropriation’ right now.
Of course, we’d also have rename the Deforst Norskies for all those – well, Norskies – who find that stereotype humiliating.
Menomonee Falls has a logo, but never a mascot that I can remember. All through this process the super/school board kept referring, quite disingenuously, to concerns about the possible offensiveness of a non-existent mascot.
The decision to move away from any native american references was made long ago and the public input sham only an afterthought in response to a little pushback. The fight was not so much about the non-existent mascot as it was the dictatorial style of decision making by village employees. The school district certainly didn’t need to be quite so shady.
The nickname “Indians” pre-dates the era of two high schools when the original was the Indians and the newer the Falcons, but once back to a single high school they retained the original school’s Indians nickname.
The logo itself is simply a stylized “F” with a couple of feathers hanging to the left that can easily become a Falls Falcons logo. Or a hat tip to the original Indians nickname depending upon your preference.
MjM, bring it on. That’s what democracy is all about.
jjf, well I am of Irish heritage, so may be the Notre Dame Fighting Irish could be considered bigoted.
But no one cares about that.
I think if you google it, you’ll find plenty of people who have raised that question.
But, then again, so what? Why would this make someone in Kewaskum butt hurt?
Pat:
Why you ask? The same reason the triggered the outrage on the site by the usual suspects a couple months ago when the Hurley SB changed their name from Midgets to North Stars. It gives those folks a chance to criticize a duly elected SB, even though they don’t live in the District. Those same folks don’t like democracy, they want complete and total authoritarianism.
It’s deja vu all over again.
Pat:
Exactly.
And yet Pat and Le Roi are interested enough to comment.
Patsy wonders: “Why would this make someone in Kewaskum butt hurt?”
Um, because the home of the Kewaskum Indians is likely next in line at the PC Parade.
As Village President, I will openly rip any school official cowing to PC religion.
Tired of cowing to liberals offended by everything. Liberals grossly offend me. If you don’t like it, go to some other school and destroy that school instead with your PC religion.
Kevin, I think you should work harder to make outrageous statements to the press. Think of all the attention you’ll get!
Kevin, so it is in your official position of Kewaskum Village President, that you proclaim the Menomonee Falls school board racist.
Pat,
You have white superintendent disassociating with an entire race, for what? Because some PC cult liberals are offended?
That is NOT racist?
I thought bringing awareness to native American culture was a good thing?
Now, we need to put any reference to that culture in the closet?
Is not deleting and purging native American culture into the closet by white liberals not the classic definition of disgusting liberal racism?
You will have to forgive me if the commandments of the public school religious PC cult are constantly changing and confusing kids and leaders like myself.
….oh yeah, I forgot, forgiveness is no where to be found in the leftist PC cult….my bad.
I hope forgiveness becomes part of leftist PC cult permeating public schools, but fear that might be too Christian for the godless that practice the PC public school religion.
Kevin,
So it is in your official position of Kewaskum Village President, that you proclaim the Menomonee Falls school board racist.
Pat,
I was asking you how putting native American culture into the closet by a white superintendent bending to PC cult complainers is NOT racist?
I am looking for the argument how awareness of native American culture being deleted by the Falls is helpful to diversity?
Maybe you can educate me how these liberals are not racist by suppressing Native American cultural awareness?
Oh, the drama. Inventing the idea that they Board is “disassociating itself from an entire race.” Race? What’s a race? I’m still waiting for Kevin to explain what the “black community” is.
Jjf,
“Native Americans” try to keep up in your dishonest false witness.
Kevin,
Please confirm that it is in your official position of Kewaskum Village President, that you proclaim the Menomonee Falls school board racist.
Pat, I think Kevin should alert the news media about his discovery and offer to go on camera, a stand-up interview in front of his DQ.
He doesn’t have the guts.
Pat,
Answer my questions first.
I need to be convinced they are not racist by putting native American awareness in the closet.
I want to hear the liberal PC cult argument native American cultural awareness needs to be oppressed here by a white superintendent.
Jjf,
The honest adults are speaking. Dishonest people, like yourself, have no place in this conversation.
Kevin,
No, I won’t answer your question first. Before I can give you an answer I need to know if you’re genuinely honest with your statement. My answer hinges on it. You’ll have to confirm that it is in your official position as Kewaskum Village President, that you proclaim the Menomonee Falls school board racist.
Did the Board ever say one thing that might be interpreted as a desire to be “putting native American awareness in the closet” or to “oppress” awareness of native Americans? Or is this just Kevin’s fever dream?
>That’s what democracy is all about.
A democracy is all about Trump? Good to know.
Pat,
First, you have to point out where I said specifically, the school board was racist.
I did say: “racist liberals are biggest threat to our democracy”.
Is the Menomonee Falls school board, officially, part of racist PC liberalism?
Pat,
I ask, because I see school board as dupes of the PC high priest superintendent in this case.
Kevin,
Owen called out the school board members, and you commented!using the words, “Racist liberals”. It sounded like you were linking the two together. You then said, “As Village President, I will openly rip any school official cowing to PC religion.”
You go in to say, “I need to be convinced they are not racist by putting native American awareness in the closet.”
It sounds by all your remarks that you believe the Menomonee Falls School Board to be racist. If not, why would you be asking to be convinced they’re not.
Yes, Jason, or as someone once put it, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
My Village President comment is in relation to Kewaskum School District.
That is where your assumption went wrong.
I don’t take official positions on stupid decisions by other communities.
I do take personal positions on stupid liberalism.
“ My Village President comment is in relation to Kewaskum School District.”
But that’s not what you said. Why are you walking it back now?
I suppose the New Zealand All Blacks should change their name as it may offend someone.
“ I suppose the New Zealand All Blacks should change their name as it may offend someone.”
If that’s what they decide, so what? Why would you give a rats ass about it?
Pat,
Show me where I said it was otherwise….
I am not walking anything back.
Kevin,
Show me where you said you were talking about Kewaskum schools.
Pat, the All Blacks play in the US at times and if we go by the snowflakes opinions, they should not be allowed to play in the US, especially if the have few if any rugby players who are black.
Pat,
When I say “As Village President”…which is Kewaskum….I was referring to school officials in Kewaskum, if they take a similar PC cult religion position.
Your crazy comprehension took rest out of context.
I still personally rip Falls school board as liberal racists.
I don’t send positions out on Village letterhead talking about stupid decisions in other communities.
Kevin,
But you didn’t say that. You’re walking what you said back.
Awful, just awful.
Pat,
If you look at Mjm’s post right before (10:09 PM 12/10), I was directly commenting on his Kewaskum reference.
Stop taking things out of context.
Why is it so important for you to send my personal comments about stupid liberalism in Falls on Village of Kewaskum letterhead anyway?
The village, officially, has better things to do than talk about the godless PC cult permeating the Falls school district.
However, personally, I will denounce it.
How about joining me in opposing liberal racism?
Or do you support racism by liberals?
I know 2 others on this group that celebrate liberal racism.
Kevin,
You called the Menomonee Falls School Board racists.
Well, aren’t those who voted for the name racists? They decided the nickname “Indians” wasn’t good enough for their school. Did they take a poll of the Native Americans in their district? Did they consult the tribes of Wisconsin and poll them and their members? Did they talk to tribal schools who have nickname Indians or something similar?
Or are they just a bunch racist white liberals who feel guilty and who think they know better than anyone else and don’t want to be associated with the name Indian, despite the history of Native Americans in Wisconsin.
Then they ought rename the school as well. Maybe call it Snowflake HS.
Pat,
No, I originally called them dupes of superintendent. Since his actions,was awful liberal racism, so are the dupes. Review the thread without your reckless context twisting.
What are you really bitching about here?
Why are you trying to use Village letterhead without my permission for things outside the Village of Kewaskum?
Plain and simple, Mar, I think tossing around “snowflake” is a form of bullying. It’s an insult, not an argument.
Frankly, I think it’s fairly useless to use “racist” as a personal pejorative, too. Why not talk about racist policies and racist beliefs and racist expressions? Because those can be addressed. People can improve. I can have a racist belief and identify it and come to terms with it and then I can strive to eliminate it. If you brand someone as “racist” it makes it seem like it’s something they can’t do anything about. And similarly, claiming you’re “not racist” is pretty useless, too. You can think you’re “not racist” and yet you can be benefiting from racist policies and beliefs enacted by others.
You’re not stupid. You understand the other side’s argument on this. So many schools had native mascots and associations, and frankly the history of it wasn’t about “honoring” – it was about a bizarre romanticized adoption of someone else’s culture, and its implementation was often a caricature and often slipped into mockery.
Let me guess, blackface and minstrel shows were about “honoring” black culture, right? Let’s take your idea and run with it… show me the kinds of “honoring” that were done over the decades of the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s when these school mascots came about. Show me the history book stories that were used to teach about it. Show me the cartoons and the movies that were in pop culture at the time. Let’s examine the yearbooks and see how the kids were dressing up.
You’re not fooling me. If any schools proposed adding more curriculum to explain the true nature of native Americans in the USA, there would be people who would stand up against it.
Wikipedia says this about the village’s demographics:
So there’s roughly fifty people there who identified as native?
And you think no one who was part of the decision process ever read anything from a native or ever asked a native? Do you have some evidence of that, or are you just imagining it?
Kevin,
I’m not using the village letterhead. I’m quoting you. You’re the one who brought up your elected position and gave your opinion.
You’re the one who is calling out the Menomonee Falls school board for being racists.
Pat,
I brought it up in relation to my community…Kewaskum…as Village President.
You took rest out of context.
Since Kewaskum has Indian name as well, just indicating what the Village President would do if Kewasum School Board decides to embrace liberal racism in the same manner. I will not be quiet about it.
You then started on your obnoxious, “is that an official position” nonsense and made the leap to Falls school board.
“Snowflake” is “bullying”…..
Wow, how delicate are you? Can you function in society at all?
What if someone said you were an “icicle”?
k:
Unless you are on the Kewaskum SB you only have one vote on the matter, that of voting for SB candidates. And using your official capacity as village president to opine on something outside you authority is an abuse of power.
Question: Is the Kewaskum SD entirely contained within the village limits, or are some areas in adjacent townships? What village/rural ratio?
You’re proving my point, Kevin. You don’t intend to examine anything the Board discussed, you just want to bully people by saying they aren’t tough enough. Because if I was tough, the arguments go away, right? And tough guys don’t think that way. You want to be a tough guy, right?
Nord,
You are a typical anti-free speech liberal. Anything that is contrary to PC cult is an “abuse of power”. I’ll opine on anything I please under the first amendment. I will not be cowed by disgusting liberals like yourself.
I have conversed with some awful people in my time, but you might be the winner in the incivility contest.
I am disgusted by your utter dishonesty.
Well, jjf, that was a logical argument.
My life experience tells me that you are wrong though.
I used to live next to two tribes in Morth Dakota and Montana- The Turtle Mountain Band of Chipewea in Belcourt ND and Rocky Boy near Havre Montana.
In ND, I was the minority in town and my friends were mostly Native Americans. And I interacted with them in many areas. A little less so in Montana.
Many had no problem with Native American nick names for the most part, but they all had different views.
But the Falls liberal racists thought all Native Americans think alike, which is very insulting and very racist. Just like liberals think that all Blacks should think and vote alike. Which is also very racist.
And every day, we see how liberals demand that all minorities think alike and if they don’t, they will bully that minority until they change their mind.
Jjf,
You have to be tough sometimes when godless crybabies want to destroy standards, decency, and civility.
Should have said “…dishonest godless crybabies….”
k:
What did I say that is dishonest? Or are you making stuff up again?
Mar, you are correct, there are many ways to hold a racist idea. So in your own anecdote, are you saying that all the natives think alike? You can’t find anyone today who will tell you why they don’t want their imagery to be used as sports mascots?
Actually, jjf, and I wrote that I after worked 18 hours, I actually meant the opposite, that there a variety of opinions on the subject, but in the Falls, they only thought Native Americans had just 1 thought.
Nord,
1.) Your quote that I used term “union thugs” without proof.
2.) My commenting on Kewaskum nickname is an “abuse of power”.
3.) Your attempt to marginalize Christmas as a pagan holiday with godless origins.
4 ) Your inability to denounce the racist liberalism putting native American cultural awareness in closet.
You are dishonest all over the place. You ooze dishonesty from everywhere.
k:
1.) That is a direct quote from you, as are the following, “the earth is 6000 years old”, “climate change is a hoax”, and “the pope isn’t a christian”.
2.) Sure it is.
3.) I didn’t try to marginalize anything. I did try to expand your knowledge base.
4.) I never said anything in that regard.
I am glad you admit you are dishonest on all levels.
You are at least honest about your gross dishonesty.
No k, I did not. You are making stuff up again.
That’s what I thought, Mar. You recognize it could be racist to assume that someone believe something just because of the color of their skin. But if you recognize the opinion that areas that were probably 99% white decades ago (and who are still 92% white) might not have been as sensitive and aware when they adopted a native American mascot.
Jjf,
You disgust me.
We must he “sensitive” to a handful of racist liberals putting native Anerican culture back in the closet and obliterate a nickname the majority love….
BUT
We do not have to be sensitive to Christians on keeping name of tree in Capitol?
That insensitivity you cheer and are happy about it!
That makes you an insensitive jerk and a bigot by the godless liberal PC standards you live by.
Awful. Just awful.
“Disgust” and “awful,” that’s why fascism is again marching across the planet. You know the Orange One’s playbook!
You’re free to hold racist or religious ideas. Don’t expect the government to subsidize them. Expect that other people might disagree with your views.
We’re talking about a school mascot and symbol. Get a grip. Could the stakes be any lower?
“ We do not have to be sensitive to Christians on keeping name of tree in Capitol?”
Gee, Kevin, you can call it what ever you want. I call mine, The Annual Celebratory Birth of Jesus Tree. In fact, I have two setup in the house.
Pat,
By that logic those offended by Indians can nickname Team whatever they want.
Why can’t we tell the racist liberal whiners to just do that?
Jjf,
To be disgusted by awful behavior is “fascism”?
So indecency and incivility should reign?
Gutter politics seems to be your schtick.
Kevin,
Yes, and by the same logic, a school can change their nickname to whatever they want, any time they want.
Pat,
Yes, but we should be disgusted when racist liberalism puts Native American culture in the closet.
Not very diverse.
Why are you not disgusted by the liberal racism.
Kevin,
Is Native American culture in the closet because a high school changes their nickname?
Pat,
Native American cultural awareness is certainly far less when nickname is struck from public eye.
It is liberal racist oppression.
Kevin,
Yah, that’s it.
Pat,
Well, this is same exact liberal response whenever Reublicans are accused of dismantiling anything in leftist woke religion…
Why does it not apply here?
Unless only racist white liberals are allowed to suppress minority culture?….like the 1924 Democrat convention all over again.
Kevin,
I suggest you ask Native Americans if they feel oppressed by a predominantly Caucasian school changing it’s name from Indian to something else.
Pat, why should he ask since this subject has been debated with the Redskins and Indians?
Pat,
Which native Americans? Many are fine with it and view white people putting their culture in closet as racist.
So you like liberal racism here?
Kevin,
Who are the Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being a racist action.
Pat,
Let’s start here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
Pat,
Then we can talk about the systematic oppression those 9 in 10 feel when things in their culture are deleted/put back in the closet…here is a primer.
https://www.prageru.com/video/offensive-mascots/
Kevin,
You didn’t answer my question, again.
Did you read article?
Pat:
He never will. But he will demand that you do.
Kevin,
You didn’t answer my question, which I expected.
Did you read article?
In it it shows many native Americans consider, nearly 8 in 10, it an honor to have a cultural nickname by sports team.
It answered your question to a tee, if you arrogant stooges took time to read.
And what about all the people who don’t want the nicknames? They’re not valid?
Jjf,
You don’t conduct cultural oppression and racism because of whiners.
I know liberals love racism, but that is never the solution.
Same thing when you lie about others, like you did to me. Never the solution.
Kevin,
No you didn’t answer my question.
I asked specifically about Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being racist.
Pat,
Your demand is ridiculous and DISHONEST.
No one is going to take a wide ranging national survey about Falls school district,but we can look to similar situations like Redskins nickname, which is arguably a bigger issue of “offense”. We find in that data, most don’t care, and many find it an “honor”.
You can ignore data you detest all you want, it does not negate your silence on liberal racism here, putting native American culture in closet.
Let me know when you are ready to oppose liberal racists.
Kevin,
No, my question to you is not ridiculous or dishonest. You can either provide an answer about Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being racist, or you can’t. It’s that simple. We’re not talking about Kewaskum Indians or the Washington Redskins. The discussion is the school board decision on changing the nickname of the Menomonee Falls high school.
Pat,
It is the same issue, same liberal racist argument. Putting native American culture in the closet.
https://fox6now.com/2019/10/28/its-not-who-you-are-menomonee-falls-indians-mascot-debated-during-school-board-meeting/amp/
Pat,
Why would you want to watch such a liberal local newscast supporting liberal racism?
We are all better than putrid liberal bias journalism.
Kevin,
So you can’t answer my question honestly.
Awful, just awful.
Kevin,
You brand my posting of a Fox News 6 as putrid liberal biased journalism immediately after posting something from the Washington Post, who I believe you would consider a source for putrid liberal bias. Of course accept when you can attempt to use them for your advantage.
Let’s see what the official position is of The National Congress of Americans Indians is;
http://www.ncai.org/proudtobe
Pat,
If you can’t think critically about bias liberal sources, shouldn’t use them.
Kevin,
Waiting for you to produce the Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being racist.
Pat, the link you posted was for a racist group of Native Americans. They basically said all Natives have should have the same beliefs, which of course, is racist.
Pat,
Why did you point to a racist organization?
Is that part if supporting the liberal racism here?
Why don’t you soak up some Piers Morgan, a reasonable liberal on the putrid liberal PC you are justifying here….
https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/videos/416827225907873/
Mar,
Thank you for your opinion.
Kevin,
Still waiting for you to produce the Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being racist.
Its racist for you to ask that.
Opinions should not have more or less validity because of skin color.
That is the very heart of the evil of PC culture.
It’s the school board who makes the decisions. You think it would be fine for them to pray on the matter and take advice from your Sky God, but you think it’s unreasonable for them to make up their own minds.
Kevin,
Be that as it may, as it is your opinion, but you still haven’t provided an answer to my request for you to produce the Native Americans who want the Menomonee Falls nickname to remain Indians and view changing the nickname as being racist.
Pat, do you have the names of the Native Americans who live in the District who support the name change?
Pat,
I don’t indulge racism.
Racism is evil. Why do you make racist arguments?
Mar asks a great question. Provide a list.
I also don’t indulge disgusting snark, which jjf managed to pull off with his awful, bigoted comment.
Kevin,
I don’t indulge your racism.
Pat,
I am only responding to your racist argument, by showing the absurdity of it.
Glad you proved the point that it is racist to only evaluate the opinions of a certain skin color.
Or to value opinions as having more or less validity based on skin color.
Can we get a denouncement from you that liberal racists are insidiously evil in their racism?
Kevin’s ability to detect racism seems to be closely linked to his partisan detection abilities. He doesn’t see racism from conservatives – only those evil awful liberals. And if he can’t detect the party affiliation of the people in question, he doesn’t know what to do, so he says nothing.
Jjf,
Racism is simply determined. Those that value skin color over the merit of opinion in the political debate sphere are Racist.
Liberalism is dripping with racists these days. It is a cancer that needs a cure.
Are you arguing race is more important than merit of opinion like a good little liberal PC racist?
jjf, I probably live in the most conservative county in the US, where I am probably considered a liberal.
There is racism from individuals here and it is very wrong.
However, liberal policies and certain liberal groups are racist. It is more like group racism from the left as opposed individual person racism from the right.