Here is a nice essay from former West Bend Mayor and local business owner Kraig Sadownikow
This should not be a surprise as it has been brewing for a while. We all saw it and felt it but chose to ignore it. Times were good, the economy was booming, unemployment was non-existent. Americans were winning. Defenders of Liberty, Responsibility and the Rule of Law were proving once again that belief in the goodness and strength of American citizens will overwhelm any ideology looking to challenge our way of life.
There was, however, a Disease lurking behind the scenes. The Disease of Hypocrisy. We have all been let down by someone we trusted. We’ve all expected a pat on the back but instead received a stab in the back. Deep down, we know when a leader is not being truthful, when they are looking out for themselves while claiming to be defending us. When they are trying to generate votes instead of trying to increase opportunity. Very often we know we are being misled but go along anyway. Worst of all is being so desperate and vulnerable that anyone promising a lifeline is viewed as a savior and granter of wishes. The Disease of Hypocrisy has infiltrated our society. For the good of America, it must be stopped.
The Disease aligned itself with the Corona Virus and, for a time, it was winning. Fear and uncertainty were taking hold until America decided it had enough and fought back. The virus fears were under control, we were getting back to a sense of normalcy, and it began to appear the USA, freedom and resiliency were going to come out on top once again.
However, the Disease could not accept an American win. Killing, looting and destruction appear to be the newest food for the Disease’s hunger. We cannot allow our nation to act as the willing and complacent host any longer, not if we love America.
If we love America, it is time for adults to have adult conversations. It is time for the minor leaguers to get back on the bench. We need makers, not takers. Public Servants not Politicians.
If we love America, we must continue to require justice for all. We must prosecute offenders regardless of who the offender is and hold our government and all its representatives to the same high standards.
If we love America, we cannot tolerate being called a racist by those who project racism. We cannot tolerate being called selfish by the selfish, uncaring by the uncaring or greedy by the greedy. We simply cannot afford to stand for this any longer.
If we love America, we cannot allow another generation to be raised with the Disease robbing them of their right to be free, to learn, to strive for excellence and the opportunity to teach their children how to do the same. Generations have been devastated by the promise of free wealth from the government only to find the promise materialize in poverty, destitution, and hypocrisy.
If we love America, we must distinguish between peaceful protesting and domestic terrorism. We must call out, condemn, and extinguish those movements that choose terrorism and disguise it as progress. Can we agree, destroying property defines a criminal, not a justice warrior.
If we love America, we must elect and follow leaders with the courage to speak the hard truth, the real hard truth. Not tickle the edges. If we don’t openly talk about the problem, we won’t solve it. The Disease loves political correctness, not problem solving. It loves confusion, not clarity. It loves picking winners and losers, not helping to shape champions.
If we love America, we must accept the fact we have a Disease and begin working toward a cure. Living in denial and thinking the Disease will go away on its own has not worked. Get involved and speak up. Accept an active, educated, and dedicated role in molding America’s future based on American principles. It will be a challenge, the Disease won’t give up their pillage easily.
Because we love America we will beat the Disease. We will start ignoring foolish political games. We will brush off idle promises and quit being the tools with which radicals do their unholy work. We will hold each other accountable for our actions and work to ensure there is liberty and justice for all. We will be Sincere, not Hypocritical.
We knew someone would have to deal with the Disease at some point in time. Fortunately, that someone is us, the time is now. The day to get involved and start supporting American is Today.
Kraig Sadownikow
City of West Bend
Random Capital Letters! Sports analogies!
But it’s not us, IT’S THEM!
That’s not a start.
(caps used for effect)
Well, actually, Pat. You know that We know what all the problems are. We have to speak the real hard truths, well, but probably not Your truths. I’m just being Sincere.
And if you’re worried about the military being used against the citizenry, I’m sure all those Second Amendment fans will step up to defend us, as they’ve been telling us they will if this ever happened.
Selfish? No, you’re Selfish! Greedy? No, you’re Greedy. He’s America-Loving Rubber and You’re Glue!
Good letter and agree with the issue of hypocrisy, but the examples are clealry one sided. Hypocrisy is not limited to COVID-19 or the response to the George Floyd murder.
It applies to every political party. It applies to every religion. It applies to every ideology.
It is easy to point out hypocrisy in “them.” It is much harder to admit hypocrisy is rampant in one’s own party, ideology, religion…..
Liberals never admit or acknowledge hypocrisy.
Kevin, can you spot any hypocrisy?
Well said, Randall.
“Liberals never admit or acknowledge hypocrisy.“
There are steadfast individuals, on both the left and right, who will never admit or acknowledge hypocrisy.
Well that did not take long. Smug comments from the left and a stalemate. I guess it is back to the basement to question grammar and punctuation, unless today is throw a brick through someone’s window day. Good work and great confirmation as to why we are where we are. Leaders one and all.
If you love America start with accountability.
Public records.
1. A searchable database of all verified complaints against police officers.
2. Remove “Qualified Immunity”.
3. Force body cams to be always turned on.
4. Police licensing. Just like a medical or law professional, have the ability to take away someone’s livelihood if they prove they are not up to the job. Or rack up complaints.
And if you want to break the “Thin Blue Line”, maybe start to take awarded law suits out of the local PD pension fund. Hit them in the pocketbook and maybe they will start policing themselves instead of turning a blind eye.
Kraig, are you up for the hard work of sincerely working with others? Or do a few blog comments make you want to Throw in the Towel?
Kraig, who specifically is “we” you talk about? Are you saying that the “we” you reference aren’t hypocritical?
Is just one side diseased?
Do we stop taking Trump seriously because everything he does is political? How about Mitch McConnell? Is not everything he does a calculated political power play? Pelosi, Schumer?
Is ignoring the non-stop deception to the American public, and continuing to support a morally corrupt President part of the disease? Do we embrace living our lives as if we were part of a reality tv show, or do we get back to reality, holding him, and others accountable for their actions and work to ensure there is liberty and justice for all?
You tell me, jff. I spent the better part of a week setting my personal ideology aside and writing what I hoped would be a neutral challenge to us all to get better on a variety of topics, not just Cov19 or the Flyod murder.
You spent 3 maybe 4 seconds flipping that work the bird.
I don’t sling arrows unless I’m ready to catch a few. I don’t use a pen name and I don’t have time or energy to waste on less than serious people.
I have a pretty well documented track record of working with people and also rolling through them. I prefer with.
Pay that boy no mind. His mama dropped him more than once.
Pat, I suggest you re-read the memo/letter. The answers to all your questions and more are in there…
Mr. Sadownikow, I don’t think you intended to set aside your own ideology. You worked very hard to TRUMPet it loud and clear.
But that was your goal, wasn’t it? Why else would B&S reprint it? Do you have dreams of running for higher office?
This wasn’t a neutral challenge. It was pure populism and jingoism. Us and Them, We and They. Enemies out to destroy us. Vague hand-waves, Capital Letters to dog-whistle and imply Deep Thoughts.
“We expected a pat on the back.” Who’s we? Who is They? What exactly did You do?
The Other Guys are all the bad stuff, You are the good. You saw it all coming but didn’t warn us – until Now! Now we must Act!
In the midst of a pandemic, you thought it would be Good to compare the other side with a Disease that needs to be Eradicated.
We are the only ones who love America, They don’t!
And then you tie it to the protests about police brutality. There’s that dog-whistle! Call out, condemn and then Extinguish?
I dunno, maybe it was better in the original German.
Do you think Capitalization adds Import and Strength to your arguments? Fancy yourself Thomas Jefferson with a Quill Pen? I think it’s a comical attempt to telegraph your ideology.
You tickled the edges and tickled and tickled and tickled. You weren’t brave enough to name names. Didn’t really want to talk openly. You weren’t brave enough to name your friends or your enemies. Just vague “you know who I’m talking about, wink wink.” Deep down, which Leader isn’t being truthful?
You cannot tolerate being called greedy or told you have racist thoughts or selfish positions? Again with the vague implications. We’re not greedy, racist, selfish, are We? They are! They’re projecting, not Us!
And yet in 2016 you said President Obama and Secretary Clinton supported racist acts?
The opposite of political correctness is problem solving? I don’t follow your logic here. Sounds more like “let’s sweep it under the rug for another generation.”
Free wealth from the government? You’re being vague again. Are you talking about the Welfare that They are taking?
Or about policies of “aggressive economic development” by public officials that eventually lead to resignations because of conflicts of personal monetary interest?
I know, I ask a lot of questions that have apparently not been asked before.
Jjf,
Do you love America?
Or do you embrace the full extent of awful liberal ideology: that America is a racist, bigoted, sexist place, built on the back of sin, and is not capable of being redeemed, and must be torn down?
Like every piece of previous evil I ask you to take a stand against, I am sure you will ignore the basic evil of your awful liberal ideology expressed eloquently in the awful 1619 project.
Take heart Kraig that you must have hit very close to the mark to get these trolls riled up like this. It’s quite fun to watch these little doggies dance once in a while. Kudos!
Gee, jjf, we ask you a lot of questions and you are too afraid to answer.
Typical liberal hypocrisy.
That’s some deep thinking, Jason. If someone responds, it’s evidence that the original writer must be right!
Or to put it in simpler terms, “He triggered the libs har har.”
Mar, not only was I unafraid to answer Sadownikow, I wrote quite a bit!
jjf,
Avoiding my simple question.
That speaks volumes.
Kevin, perhaps you can explain what Sadownikow meant in the nine times he used the phrase “love America.”
Kevin likes to throw the “do you support / love America” at people. As if that is the end all be all of questions.
You can love something and still think it is deeply flawed and needs parts of it torn down to the ground. Parts of this country are racist, sexist, bullies, & biggots that need to be exposed. And yes, America WAS built on the back of sin… it was called Slavery. And while that is no one’s fault today, the history and truth are clear.
I do say tear down the police organizations that continue to treat civilians without respect. Tear down the police organizations that have racists & violent offenders among their ranks.
Tear down the parts of America that need to be rebuilt from the ground up. America is deeply flawed in spots.
We all love America but that doesn’t mean that we are not critical nor want to make it better.
Basically Kevin. Shut up with the stupid questions. Unless you have ideas that contribute to the discussion, solutions, or deeper questions. Your interactions here are 90% attacking people and worthless. Be better.
jjf,
Love America- means to view America as the greatest, most prosperous, nation to ever exist. America is the land of opportunity for freedom loving people the world over. You yearn and clamor to extol the greatness of this wonderful nation and you are willing to defend this awesome nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. You are proud of her. You brag about her. You give grateful thanks to Almighty God for the great blessing has bestowed upon us in this place.
Does that look anything like the liberal mentality about America?
I’m surprised to hear you say that, Kevin. Usually you’re much more open-minded about things.
Let me guess – anyone with critiques or suggestions for improvements – they must not love America, right?
It’s all a distraction from what I wrote.
jjf,
You have not answered the question. Do you love America? Or is it a racist, bigoted, sexist place, built on the back of sin, and is not capable of being redeemed, and must be torn down?
Johnny was pretty clear where he stands. You can just feel the disgrace and contempt he has for this place on a lot of fronts. That goes far beyond correcting/calling out a few acting badly, he has dripping contempt for the institution of America. So much so,he wants me to shut up about my American pride.
If libs believe the country is beyond redemption, how can you fix it?
Por qué no los dos?
jjf,
Coward.
Gee, I read that post as a rallying cry to drop the Democrats and Republicans from your voting lists. Who is more hypocritical, the Dem promising enough money to the poor to live on, if poverty counts as any type of good life, or the Republican who promises to allow the middle class to keep a little more of their decent living, all while increasing the burden and syphoning away more and more to the upper 1 percent? Who is more hypocritical the creators of institutional racism, or the people who accept the privileges reaped from those policies?
Want to make America great again? We have to fix our broken Government and disengage those who suckle at its vast breast. And if you think I am aiming primarily at welfare, you are wrong. My first metaphorical bullets would hit the lawyers and politicians blocking the system to keep allowing people like Jeff Bezos to not pay taxes, for example.
Take away the money, rules and laws that politicians have set up to keep them in power. Set term limits that include a total ceiling of years ‘served’. The hypocrisy is in the system. How could a ‘decent’ Government put up such utter morally lacking caricatures of people like Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump as our sole choices for the highest elected office? There are no Democrats or Republicans in office right now that would or could flout their party and stay in office. As long as money rules Government, the wealthy will control Government.
Oh Kevin, once again trying to put words into other people’s mouths. The world is just black and white to you. Binary. 1’s and 0’s. We all have pride in our country. The greatest country in the world. But that doesn’t mean it is perfect. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t have DEEP, DEEP flaws that must be fixed. Doesn’t mean that we don’t need to take some things out at the root and start from scratch.
And yes, I am trying to shut you up when it comes to you doing the DUMB things like questioning people’s patriotism. Are you a descendant of McCarthy? Stop talking stupid.
“Today, just as then we need strong leaders who have the dignity and grace to cut through political party affiliations and speak simply, as Americans.“
“I do say tear down the police organizations that continue to treat civilians without respect. Tear down the police organizations that have racists & violent offenders among their ranks.”
How do you propose to do this?
Get rid of the entire police department or just the officers who are racist?
And who defines racism?
I should have added that I agree with that statement.
“dignity and grace to cut through political party affiliations and speak simply, as Americans.“
With liberty and justice for all.
Who said that Pat?
“dignity and grace to cut through political party affiliations and speak simply, as Americans.“
Well, Pat, you must like President Trump. He takes on everybody, regardless of party. And he speaks directly to the American people and speaks for many Americans.
Now, he does not have dignity and grace and quite frankly, I don’t want a president with dignity and grace, I want a fighter who speaks his mind.
And when was the last time we had a president with dignity and grace?
jonny,
If something has “deep, deep flaws” and needs to be torn down and redone…how can you love it on any level?
Given the fact, I think we agree America is the greatest place to ever exist, can’t you capitulate our system constantly works to better itself despite its minor imperfections from time to time?
How does a place become so great with fundamental, foundational flaws?
I can just feel the dripping contempt.
What is your solution, be more like the diseased Marixism found in the rest of the world?
Mar,
Kraig said that.
As far as Trump speaking for many Americans. I would be more inclined to agree that Trump speaks to a minority of Americans. Specifically the minority who voted for him.
Yes Kevin, our police departments are deeply flawed. Between racist officers, officers that just look the other way, officers that will outright lie for each other, or officers that plant evidence; we have a system in place that doesn’t do enough to root them out. I am good friends with 2 police officers that I believe to be wonderful people. I assume they are the good guys, like a majority of police officers on the force. But as the saying goes, “A few bad apples spoil the BUNCH.” And until we can find ways to help get rid of the virus within the departments, the general public will not be able to trust the police. I posted above some actual possible solutions above (unlike anything you have EVER done.) But here they are again for the lazy.
If you love America start with accountability.
Public records.
1. A searchable database of all verified complaints against police officers.
2. Remove “Qualified Immunity”.
3. Force body cams to be always turned on.
4. Police licensing. Just like a medical or law professional, have the ability to take away someone’s livelihood if they prove they are not up to the job. Or rack up verifiable complaints.
And if you want to break the “Thin Blue Line”, maybe start to take awarded law suits out of the local PD pension fund. Hit them in the pocketbook and maybe they will start policing themselves instead of turning a blind eye.
You can feel free to attack my suggestions. I am all for it. Civilized discussions are what I look for. But frankly Kevin (and Mar), I have never seen either of you have one. You simply try to throw garbage at people and call them names. Your contributions are completely worthless in a grander discussion. You have never had solutions.
And for the discussion as to how you can love something deeply flawed, you have clearly never had family. Most people can find someone in their family that has done things, or is fundamentally flawed. That doesn’t mean you don’t love them or try to help them. My 91 year old grandmother is not afraid to say racist things out loud. We scold her and try to correct her, but frankly, it is ingrained in her from he youth. Doesn’t mean I don’t love her.
jonnv,
If you get all that. Will you love America? or will you just keep on tearing it down?
…and BTW, none of your 4 suggestions will rid us of police acting badly. Not all bad acts are racist, some people are just jerks. None of those 4 things will really dent jerks on the police force….they will mostly hassle good cops.
The main solution is to punish jerks, but as we see in Democrat,liberal controlled Minneapolis…no will to punish, even after double digit complaints.
You want to blame something: soft on crime Democrats. That is the only real blemish on America: the cancer of liberalism.
“soft on crime Democrats”
Ha, tell me all about DoJ declining to prosecute Flynn, who had confessed. TWICE.
Nord,
Ummm, yeah…who did Flynn, rough up with excessive force, hurt, or kill again?
You are awful. Just awful.
Just like you favor arresting hairdressors for breaking emergency orders,but quiet on looters burning the city down…disgusting.
You said, “soft on crime Democrats”, nothing about physical violence. Quit your name calling and act like an adult.
Nord,
Saysing someone is “soft on crime” is “name calling”? How thin skinned are you? Wow. toughen up!
We all know that Democrats love leading murders, rapists, and other battering criminals out of jail, or ignore crime, especially if they are minority.
So stop it with your dishonesty.
Kev, I will keep tearing down the parts that I feel need changing. America will never be perfect. We will never completely root out racism. But, this conversation is about how we can improve the police departments public perception. How do we regain our faith in them?
My suggestions would help make them more accountable. But, I don’t see how it will make any additional issues with the good cops.
JONNY V,
How about we stop indicting all police and police departments and just admit some people are just jerks?
How are any of your suggestions going to change that?
What is more important is the will to punish bad behavior.
Has that attitude with soft on crime liberal policy that eats like a cancer through all these Democrat run big cities?
Tell me you love America despite liberal cancer eating it from the inside.
I do. You can too.
“Has the liberal attitude changed with soft on crime….
Kevin, you don’t think that adding accountability and punishing the offenders of the public is going to change behavior?
You are lost buddy.
But as always, no suggestions from your side.
Jonny,
Adding a few rules, that will not affect too much is not “tearing down” the system as you indicated.
Why don’t you just say you just want to fix awful Democrat run cities rather than claiming you want to upheave the system?
Cut the hyperbole.
I support qualified immunity point, but Democrat run police unions will refuse that.
So given your lack of suggested real radical change, you really do love country nearly all as is.
Interesting, why can’t you show you pride?
Kevin, the police unions haven’t supported a democratic candidate since Clinton in 92. They sat out 2 elections and didn’t endorse.
If you don’t think that those are big changes for the police unions, then you haven’t been listening or watching.
And shut up about your love and pride. It is not your place to say how or who loves their country. Come up with something new already. You don’t get to sit and judge others, how very un-christian of you.
jonnyv, ok, I have no problems with most of your ideas.
So, let’s even the playing field. No protestor can get within 15 feet of a cop, screaming vulgarities. Make it a felony to harass a police officer. How about getting rid of the stupid bail reform laws in New York and other states where it is catch and release. How about a law where protestors cannot block a street. How about a law that if you throw a brick or other dangerous object and an automatic 10 year in prison sentence.
You good with those?
Joony,
I was not referring to presidential candidates, but the puke liberal candidates they must choose from that run these disastrous Democrat controlled. Soft on crime, criminal infested, urban centers.
Your “plan” does not “tear it down” like you say. Instead, it props it up.
Stop pretending you are a radical liberal. You secretly love Anerica outside the liberal policy cancer. Just admit it. Who cares what your liberal friends think.
Say it. “AMERICA IS A PRETTY GREAT PLACE! AND I LOVE IT!”
Can any liberal here say it?
No?
AWFUL. JUST AWFUL.
k:
“You are awful” isn’t a term of endearment, or perhaps it is in k-speak. Here you are denying your nasty behavior and blaming others, just like last week.
Nord,
If you can’t love the USA… You have an awful worldview, and your inability to grow beyond an awful worldview makes you awful.
Prove me wrong.
Say you love America. None of you libs can say it, because deep down you hold utter disdain and contempt for USA.
No courage at all to dare to upset your hateful liberal friends by joining me in unity to celebrate the USA?
Ha! K-Speak! That explains a great deal and will be useful in the future.
Kevin’s version of Freedom means “you will say what I order you to say.”
Why isn’t anyone talking about Sadownikow’s points? Or even just trying to figure out what his points truly are?
Or whether he’s advocating for a Final Solution against those who won’t say “I love America” when ordered?
Jjf,
So will you say that you love America?
Only about 8th time I asked.
You must have utter contempt if you cannot even agree with my simple request in lukewarm manner.
k:
I have been saying America is great long before you were born. And it has been since 1776, well except for the last 3+ years, when you idol has been dragging it down.
But since this is America, and folks like you and I are still free to believe whatever we want, you can jabber on with whatever you feel like. But you aren’t entitled to make me do your bidding. I’m still free (until your fascist buddies take over), to tell you and your ilk to pound sand.
Requires reading ability:
https://www.mainepublic.org/post/william-cohen-republican-senators-must-speak-out-against-trump
Look libs,
Nord can say he loves America…in his backhanded, uninspiring, way.
Can you show more enthusiasm for this great country than me?
Or are you more like Nord, you have to be coaxed and pressed to say you love the country?
Kevin continues his “jump monkey, jump, jump higher” routine. Begs you to say it, say it! Then complains you didn’t say it just the right way.
What if I love America so much I don’t jump when Kevin says jump?
Jjf,
Then say the you love America and explain why you don’t show your pride enthusiastically when asked like the rest of us that really love the country?
Give it a try. And we will compare it to what I mean when I say I love America above, when I answered without ducking, bobbing or weaving the question.
I love America so much I don’t jump when Kevin says jump. Freeeeeeedddddddddooom!
Us? Who is Us? If we’re Us, then who is Them? And They? And why do They get free government wealth but We don’t?
jjf,
I’m willing to talk about my love of America anytime, anywhere, when someone asks?
You are not enthusiastic enough, like me, to do that?
Wow.
k:
That is the beauty of freedom American style, you don’t get to tell me what to do, what to say, or what to think. And if you removed your ideological blinders you would know that.
Nord,
And if a wonderful place, like the USA, grants you all that blessing, why would you not extol and express the blessing enthusiastically, anywhere?
You have to hold me back from talking about the greatness of America. It is automatic for me when it comes to extoling the appreciation of this country.
JJf,is not required to fake his love for America, but he did, viciously, comment and criticize on a wonderful pro-America essay, and I questioned his love for the country based on his venom. I wanted to know if her loved the country.
If you are going to spit on country with that kind of criticism,it is a valid question to ask.
My suspicion is: he hates the country because he thinks it is is a racist, bigoted, sexist place, built on the back of sin, and is not capable of being redeemed, and must be torn down.
Just asking him to prove me wrong by choking out some kind of statement,of his choosing, showing some gratitude and love foer the country.
So, nord, my request is not out of line,given some of his awful comments toward the author of the awesome article above!
k:
First, proof read your posts, you aren’t making sense again.
Second, I didn’t spit on my country, didn’t in the 60’s, won’t today. You are making that all up.
Third, your request to me certainly is out of line. You really don’t believe in freedom of speech, you only believe is stroking your ego.
Tip of the day: Grow up, act like an adult, not a petulant child.
Nord,
I was talking about jjf on the spitting on country.
When you consider phrase “soft on crime”, as “name calling”, who needs to grow up.
Why does it chap your posterior so badly if I ask Jiffy if he loves the USA?
It should be like asking him his favorite color, it hardly should be a controversial question to the point where I should be told to “be quiet” in some form.
3 of you lefties have done that now….are you all that ashamed of the country?
k:
Here is what you said in a post addressed to me:
“If you are going to spit on country”.
That’s what you said, not me. You really don’t think before you spew, do you?
Kev, what do you think Sadownikow meant by “Extinguish” and who would he like to extinguish?
Nord,
I was talking about jjf in prior paragraph and that line.
jjf,
You are so dishonest. He was talking about getting rid of bad ideas from public policy sphere.
Do you love America?
(and tell Nord to stop running Bromance interference for you when I ask you this simple question.)
Kevin, there are parts of America I live. We are quite free compared to the rest of the world, we generally have better private sector services, most of us have a right to succeed or fail.
But there are parts of America I don’t love. The racism by liberals and conservatives, the education through college at public places of education, thugs like Antifa and other groups like them and the left wing media to name a few.
So, it goes both ways, but all in all, it’s the best country there is.
I love America!
It’s where everyone has the right to be wrong.
k:
But you didn’t say that . Do you know the purpose of paragraphs?
You can do better if you try. But you won’t. As has been said about you numerous times; “often wrong, never uncertain”.
“Thugs like ANTIFA.” And their nefarious leader, General Patton!
“Racism by liberals and conservatives.” What? Racism exists? And that conservatives can have racist ideas and policies? Do tell! I thought it was only the liberals in the big cities who do that.
Have you spotted any Boogaloo Boys in your daily life, Mar?
He said “We must call out, condemn, and extinguish those movements…”
Kevin, you don’t think he meant Extinguishing all the people Who Didn’t Love America?
And he said “The Disease aligned itself with the Corona Virus and, for a time, it was winning. ”
What do you think he means by a Disease aligning itself with the virus?
And Sadownikow shows up here looking for praise, doesn’t find enough, and quickly leaves in a huff? But he said we have to face the hard truths and have the hard conversations and not just tickle the edges.
Who or what is he talking about here? Anyone? Bueller?
nord,
I cannot help your now notorious reading comprehension problems.
Jjf,..
Trying to extinguish the cancer of bad ideas is not extinguishing people.
Your are a dishonest hack for even suggesting that.
Do you love America?
(AND you should answer before your bromance partner, Nord, diverts subject again.)
k:
My comprehension is fine, your writing skills are abominable. Or are you intentionally writing in k-speak code so you can shirk responsibility for your outrageous comments?
Nord,
Its a comprehension problem. Take Jjf’s comprehension problem of Kraig article above.
Same issue.
You 2 are so at war with everything that is good and right you misrepresent simple decent thought.
Its a systemic problem on the godless liberal side of things.
jjf
Do you love America?
Le Roi is an expert, Kevin, in shirking responsibility. He never admits when he is wrong even when Helen Keller can see it.
Kevin, do you Love repeating yourself?
I love America so much I don’t jump when Kevin says jump. Freeeeeeedddddddddooom!
Jjf,
Sounds like a nonanswer.
Pretty cowardly.
Will you give me a Buster Bar?
k:
This isn’t about the Kraig article and your disagreement with jjf, it’s about your denial and projection . It’s your MO, to say one thing , deny you said it, then blame someone else for your mistakes. And you took it right out of the trump style book. And you aren’t man enough to accept responsibility.
Jjf,
Just looking for a sincere, honest answer.
If I have to bribe you to speak well of your country, that really sYs a lot about what you really think, doesn’t it?
If we love America we must rise up in disgust over what America has become.
If we love America we must speak out against a tyrannical White House who threatens to active troops against its citizenry.
If we love America we should rid it of the disease of lies emanating from within the White House.
If we love America we should strive to make us the beacon of light for freedom that the world used to look up to.
If we love America we should hope to return to the embrace of our allies, instead of the embrace of our enemies.
If we love America we should make it great again.
Pat:
Well said. Thanks
If we love America we must rise up in disgust over what America has become.
Yes, we need to oppose the gosless liberal disgust that smears this country, its military, and its police with a broad brush. I’m disgusted by the push to defund police departments. And I am largely disgusted by the Democrat/liberal governance of these liberal run big cities that seem to be the focal point of the problems.
If we love America we must speak out against a tyrannical White House who threatens to active troops against its citizenry.
We need to bring law and order to these big cities where Democrats have lost control killing black officers, killing innocent black people, and burning black businesses. I applaud Trump’s efforts to protect minorities and people of all races. You should be ashamed of yourself siding with the lawless rioters and looters.
If we love America we should rid it of the disease of lies emanating from within the White House.
Just an awful partisan statement. You seemed unconcerned by the lies from Obama white house on funding terriorsm in Iran and scandals like Fast and Furious, which killed people!
If we love America we should strive to make us the beacon of light for freedom that the world used to look up to.
“Used to”? We still are that beacon. People clamor to get here. If you find this place so digusting, why don’t we put a warning label to illegals to “stay away”. They don’t because they are fleeing the disgusting corrupt leftist Marxism of their country!
If we love America we should hope to return to the embrace of our allies, instead of the embrace of our enemies.
What are you talking about? Trump has embraced Israel, unlike Obama who embraced disgusting Middle East teerorists. Are you upset with Trump taking on disgusting communists in china? I say, good! We were cozy with those leftist Marxist thugs for far too long! Provide an example of your screed here.
If we love America we should make it great again
America is great! and if you do not see that, you are part of the problem.
I can just feel your contempt. You pretend to love the country,but then embrace values and a cozy to a leftist ideology hell bent on tearing America down. Makes me scratch my head on what you are trying to do here.
Kevin bears false witness saying, “You should be ashamed of yourself siding with the lawless rioters and looters.“
Please provide a direct quote, in context, made by me where I said I side with lawless rioters and looters.
Awful, just awful.
Kevin,
I love America at the same level you loved America during the Obama and Clinton years.
“You seemed unconcerned by the lies from Obama white house on funding terriorsm in Iran and scandals like Fast and Furious, which killed people!“
What does that have to do with the current President? Deflect much???
Pat,
If you are against the president sending the troops in to take back the streets where Democrats have lost the streets to the thugs, explain to me how you are NOT on side of lawless rioters?
Pat,
This presidents mistakes pail in comparison to Obama’s mistakes. Get some perspective.
“Pail”
Unbelievable!
Kevin,
Can’t provide a quote, in context. Didn’t think so. I await your apology.
k:
You want to talk scandals in Iran, let’s talk about Ronnie ray gun, Ollie north and Iran contra. Now there is a real live treasonous scandal. With pardons galore. Your turn.
And Pat your rant is why us conservatives have to fight against you and your ilk.
You and I strongly disagree and this why we are going to have battles.
I don’t want to unify with liberals. Many are racist, totalitarian, hateful, bigoted and more.
And I am sure you feel the same about us.
Unity is for babies and weak people.
Mar,
I don’t feel that way at all. I have more friends that identify as conservative than liberal. I’m extraordinarily fiscally conservative. Being so has allowed me to retire in comfort.
United is part of being the United States.
Trump is President of The United States.
How united has that made this nation?
I don’t feel I have battles with people, just disagreements.
The men and women of this country serve this nation in unity. I don’t consider them babies and weak people.
Nord.
You caught me using wrong spelling. Its OK, soft on crime liberalism should tolerate my word crime.
pat,
Here is your quote:
“If we love America we must speak out against a tyrannical White House who threatens to active troops against its citizenry.”
The only way I false witnessed this is: if you like tyrannical rule, which is possible in your case. Do you love tyrannical rule, secretly?
President Trump is so tyrannical that he has not shut down the internet that allows you to speak here.
Kevin,
Yes, that’s exactly what I said. Nothing in that about what you accuse me of saying.
I await your apology for your false witness.
Mar,
Put the bottle down.
Pat,
You indicated you are against Trump bringing order to areas that are out of control. That puts you on side of rioters.
Kevin please provide a quote where I said I was in favor of rioters.
Are these patriots on the side of rioters?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1226306
Pat,
If you object to sending in the troops to restore order where lawless Democrats fail to do their jobs ,what is alternative, besides letting rioters win?
Kevin,
Please provide the quote where I said I support rioters.
I stand with patriots like General Mattis. He, and other true patriots feel like I do. Say you stand with patriots against tyranny.
k:
For someone that lectures any and all that disagree with him about how wrong they are, and how right you are, one would expect you to have a better grasp of the language.
And as I have told you numerous times, if someone commits a crime they should be charged, tried, and if found guilty, have the appropriate penalty applied. Never did I ever say I was soft on crime. You made that all up to make yourself feel better. Awful, just awful.
k:
And could you decode this for us: “gosless liberal disgust“. Are you saying we are required to believe in a gos (god)? Whose version?
and this “Obama who embraced disgusting Middle East teerorists”.
pat,
If you lack will to stop rioters, you, like the General, are siding with rioters.
How do you propose to stop rioters? Harsh language? Lollipops?
I love America so much, my price is increasing. This is America, love it or leave it! It’s now four Buster Bars.
Kevin,
The generals, as I, have stated they are not siding with the rioters and looters. You are the one bearing false witness against brave men, who are true patriots. I will side with men of their stature on this any day.
Won’t you have the courage to say you stand with patriots against tyranny? It’s easy.
Pat,
If the population is at the mercy of the indecent leftist mob and criminal gangs, are we fulfilling the promise of America to these urban minority communities?
Let’s get rid of the rioters, looters, and criminals and then withdraw the troops.
How would you fix this? Let them loot? Let them riot? Killing black officers in process?
Kevin,
I’m still waiting for your apology for your false witness.
Say you stand with patriots against tyranny. It’s easy. You can do it.
PAt,
Until you tell me how you are addressing the tyranny of the leftist mob burning the place down….you statements against tyranny ring as hollow BS.
If the leftist hate mobs, with their special brand of justice, is terrorizing grandma, why do you ignore that tyranny?
Kevin,
No apology coming from you for bearing false witness?
Pat,
Not when you claim to stand against tyranny, but fail to address, or be unconcerned about the leftisit terrorist rioters and looters burning the country down.
Until you reasonably answer that question with a solution, you are standing with tyranny in your position.
Kevin,
It’s awful, just awful, you feel the need to say I said things that I never said. Bearing false witness, unable to provide a direct in context, quote. Twisting words to fit your narrative. And, refusing to stand with patriots against tyranny.
I asked Kraig a number of questions regarding the meaning of what he was saying, and his response was, “Pat, I suggest you re-read the memo/letter. The answers to all your questions and more are in there…“
So my answer to you, Kevin, would be the same as Kraig’s answer to me.
Kevin, are all the looters “leftisit”?
Me, I like a little leftisit now and then, especially around the holidays, with cinnamon and sugar, rolled up.
I love America so much that my price is now eight Buster Bars.
https://youtu.be/oYa8mEr3sJA
Pat:
k will never apologize, only continue to stamp his foot while demanding you atone for his sins. As the self-appointed holder of the absolute truth he feels it is his right and privilege to demand from others what he would never do himself. That is the k we have all grown to know and love.
Stay strong. Make America Smart Again!
I think the conservative commenters here deserve a round of applause for being so tolerant of Kevin’s behavior for such a long time. Such reserve, such respect, to listen to him say the same sheet over and over, the same inane comments… and then to never say a word, no reprimands, not even any support at all… such dedication.
I generally don’t read what he says, I generally don’t care. You, Pat are the intolerant ones, nit picking every word he types. And Leroy has some type of OCD issue with Kevin, combing through everything written, analyzing it, obsessing over it: It’s actually very unhealthy and concerning.
But to each his own. You three come here thinking you’re going to sway minds and you aren’t capable of it, you cry about harsh comments, and complain about the owner’s content or lack of content, and you know the response you’re going to get. Yet you all come back every day and spend your time typing at a wall. Have fun, I don’t care at all… which is why I address you three the way I do. You’re trolling, plain and simple, and everyone can see that.
“I don’t care at all…“
And yet, you care enough to respond.
PAt,
You have not answered my question. How can you stand against tyranny, as you claim, but come up with no other plan to deal with the rioters, looters and criminals?
I question your stand against tyranny is sincere. I asked for your plan to deal with these left wing terrorists.
If you have one, that is reasonable and effective, outside of Trump’s plan, I will apologize. I might even join you in embracing it.
So what is your plan?
Of course, it brings me pleasure to smack you idiots once in a while. There are many times where I don’t respond, not enough effort for the little dopamine kick. If I’m losing you, ask Johnny if you can borrow a couple of his books, his bookshelf is so big!
“And as I have told you numerous times, if someone commits a crime they should be charged, tried, and if found guilty, have the appropriate penalty applied. Never did I ever say I was soft on crime.”
Hmm,I must have missed those posts, Le Roi.
Can you provide the quotes please.
And numerous means a great quantity, so, that’s more than 3.
I’d think it was perfectly fine if you didn’t have a book shelf, Jason. I would like to hear that you read a book now and then. What was your last one?
mar:
I’m not surprised as you miss so much.
So Le Roi, you really didn’t say it numerous times?
Just lying again, right?
>I’d think it was perfectly fine if you didn’t have a book shelf, Jason. I would like to hear that you read a book now and then. What was your last one?
I do have one, thanks. The one I’m reading right now is very good. I read physical books mainly for enjoyment now.
Kevin,
More deflection away from your bearing of false witness. Please provide the quote, in context, that I made saying I support rioters and looters. I await the quote, or your apology.
“Of course, it brings me pleasure to smack you idiots once in a while.“
But you “really don’t care at all….“
If it wasn’t for individuals expressing differing opinions it would be, as I’ve said previously, the same small group of individuals sitting in a circle jerking each other off. Limbaugh refers to them as ditto heads.
Well, Pat, I refer to you as Lying Pat.
Mar,
Yes you do. And you were never able to produce a lie that directly originated from me.
But I‘m flattered the guy sitting in the middle of the circle attempted to come up with such a great nickname for me.
Kind of early in the day to be hitting the juice, isn’t it Mar???
Actually, I produced 2 lies.
And no, it’s never to early. It’s my 1 day off this week.
No mar, I have said it numerous times, even directed at you. But since you miss so much, and know so little, it is understandable that you forgot.
Great job by the Shorewood PD taking this violent criminal off the streets.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/06/07/shorewood-woman-taken-into-custody-spitting-minor-police-say/3170166001/
Well, Pathological Liar Le Roi, you cannot provide the evidence, which should have been pretty easy to do.
Just like you could not provide evidence that Kevin said nasty things about Amy Klobacher.
Notice a pattern here?
Dementia?
Busted again.
Your word is no good after lying so many times.
God bless this patriot.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/local/utah-marine-stands-alone-at-utah-capitol-with-i-cant-breathe-covering-his-mouth
Yes mar, tell us all about that murderer Keith Hernandez. about how you can win a conservation, about using rear gas to tame the thigs, or about how injecting disinfectants into your body is an effective treatment for coronavirus. Please expound, at length, with factual evidence of your earlier claims.
We all thank you.
Pathological Liar Le Roi, just be a man and admit you lied.
I would say you are a disgrace to the liberal cause, but you are a typical liberal…throw a lie out there and hope there are a few people who believe you.
Too bad you are a such a terrible liar that you are not believable.
And Pathological Liar Le Roi, throwing temper tantrums like a toddler makes you look like a bigger fool, fool.
mar:
I don’t apologize for your mistakes. You need to take ownership of them before you’ll find happiness. And you sure don’t sound very happy.
Pat,
You stated you are against tyranny.
I don’t believe it.
I think your are lying with your dismissal of the tyranny of the leftist mob.
If you are unwilling to clean up that tyranny as Trump describes, what is your plan.
Until you answer, YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF MOB TYRANNY CONTINUING. (and it would make you a liar for saying you are “against tyranny”.)
Kevin,
Your opinion of whatI said is not really. It’s the voices in your head telling you otherwise.
I await your apology for your bearing false witness.
JonnyV
Well said, including your reform suggestions, unfortunately our Government forbids it. Frankly, I don’t understand why anyone would still be part of the Dem or Rep party. They have developed a web of power, media and lies all held together with magical red tape that is proof against any attack. Who would be more effective the Democrat puppeted by his super-wealthy overlords or the Republican puppeted by his super-wealthy overlords? They are the same, and their reactions to current events will be close to identical. But they have many otherwise intelligent people screaming obscenities at each other, never once looking at the puppeteers.
I have seen in dozens of places liberals hating Trump for closing down the US, saying HE ruined the economy. Those same liberals admit without hesitation or qualm that a Dem President would probably have shut down sooner and left it longer. Most Republicans give Trump a pass and agree that any President would have. However, if this were Democrat regime, I would bet not 1% of Republicans would admit that a Republican President would have closed the economy. You all agree that a President should have closed the country, but half of you hate the President for it and half like/love him for it. And if the Prez were Dem, you would all have the exact same position…as your ‘enemy’. I understand how media can be a powerful tool, but how can no one ever look behind the curtain? Or worse yet look, but then not change?
I dunno, it’s been 24 hours, you’d think by now if Rapkin was a Democrat, some Republican operative would’ve made that public. So she’s a Republican?
Really? I haven’t see that.
https://twitter.com/thegoodgodabove/status/1270041719350976512?s=21
>I haven’t see that.
You have your eyes closed then.
PAt,
I believe you embrace the tyranny of the lawless leftist mob with your position.
I’m giving you a chance to lay out a plan to stop the tyranny.
What are you doing to stop the tyranny?
Convince me how you are against tyranny here.
Pat, I like the first reply…God.
Kevin,
That is your opinion. Incorrect, though it is.
You still haven’t produced the quote, in context that I made about siding with rioters and looters. You are unable to no matter how much you squirm and attempt to deflect. It’s awful, just awful you feel the need to lie about what people say versus taking responsibility for bearing false witness.
Pat, then I would encourage you to call out Le Roi as well. He told a whopper yesterday and today.
Mar,
Sure. As soon as you call out Kevin.
Deal?
Sure, what you arguing about?
You’ve been reading it.
Pat,
You said you are “against tyranny”.
But yet you want to stop Trump from putting down the tyranny of lawless leftist mob.
That makes you “for tyranny”, unless there is some plan you have to stop the leftist mob.
You have no plan because you love the tyrannical mob, and refuse to put a stop to the tyranny.
You should praise me for exposing your dishonesty on issue.
And what whopper would that be, mar?
Kevin,
Are you saying you are for using the military to put down armed protesters who get in the faces of police?
Look up the word numerous, Le Roi.
“Are you saying you are for using the military to put down armed protesters who get in the faces of police?”
If they armed, of course. What is wrong with that.
And notice that once the National Guard starting showing up, things quieted down quickly.
Once President Trump mentioned active duty military, the mayors and governors started cracking down on the thugs who were looting and shooting.
Well we have Mar in favor of deploying the military to confront and put down armed protesters. How about You, Kevin.
mar:
I did, and I am correct. Try again.
Just show me the evidence then. That should be easy for an honest person like yourself.
Wait, which protesters are armed and confronting police? Are we talking about haircut protesters or Floyd protesters?
mar:
I don’t need to prove anything to you. You are a mistake prone nothing and always will be. Grow a pair and act like an adult.
Pat,
I am favor of destroying the terrorist liberal mob conducting their rioting, looting and murder on innocents.
What are you going to do to stop the tyrannical mob?
Kevin,
Are you for using the military to put down armed protesters who get in the faces of police?
Pat,
Yes, I am for doing that to rioters and looters.
Kevin,
Good, so your saying you are in favor for deploying military troops to put down armed protesters.
“mar:
I don’t need to prove anything to you. You are a mistake prone nothing and always will be. Grow a pair and act like an adult.”
And this lady and gentlemen, is what a liar looks like when he knows that he was caught and then throws a temper tantrum and blames the other person.
So sad. So pathetic. So dishonest.
Kevin,
To be clear. In context, you are saying you are in favor for deploying federal military troops to put down armed protesters who get in the faces of the police. Correct?
Invocation of the federal Insurrection Act wouldn’t be anything novel. There’s been one incarnation or another of it since the early 1790s. It’s been used several times to quell rioting and was even used by Democrat darling JFK to enforce desegregation orders on the Alabama public schools at the point of a gun. Dubya even considered using it in support of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in Louisiana in’06.
No mar, that is what your mistake prone nothingness resorts to when you can’t prove anyone lied. You are a one trick pony; call anyone that disagrees with you a liar, continue to do so even proven wrong, rinse and repeat.
You can’t prove I lied, you won’t expend an iota of energy to learn anything new, and will continue on in your nothingness for eternity.
Actually, Pathological Liar Le Roi, I did prove you lied.
You just cry like a little baby when you were caught.
But you just not man enough to admit you were wrong.
Now, go to bed without any supper.
Actually mar, you only proved that you have nothing, but that shouldn’t stop you, keep playing the fool. It is the one thing you are qualified to do. Carry on.
Whoops! Looks like the Shorewood lawyer signed the Walker recall petition before she assaulted that young black fellow AND a Shorewood cop.
Anecdotal evidence that recall signers are daft.
As I predicted a day before, Dad29. I’d searched and didn’t find her there. Different name?
Great computer consultant you are.
http://iverifytherecall.com/Images/sw/sw016691.png
Yeah, I searched for her last name at that site. Didn’t return any valid results.
Did that work for you, or are you copy-pasting from someone else?
4209 N Ardmore Ave. Still her current address too. Wouldn’t want you to work too hard at things.
Nothing changes the fact that this is the Left eating the Left. All preaching about tolerance and inclusion from the Left is just a smoke screen. If you all had better org structure and cool level names you would be as good as Scientology.
Yeah, that address doesn’t work either.
Take off the Ave. Jesus dude do you have to be spoon fed all the time?
Gee, another liberal racist. Shocking I say, shocking.
And gross as well.
Time for disbarment.
jjf, on the petition, use Bupkin as the last name. Besides being racist, she cannot write very well either.
Pat,
Yes, because the tyranny of lawless mob is more dangerous, BY FAR.
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR PLAN….OTHER THAN “DO NOTHING”.
Letting the mob to burn the country is a plan only communists and socialists like.
Kevin,
Then you would approve of the military deployed against the armed thug protesters who stormed the capital building, and got in the face of the police in Michigan.
“Then you would approve of the military deployed against the armed thug protesters who stormed the capital building, and got in the face of the police in Michigan.”
Hahaha, good one Pat.
Maybe you should give up your day job and begin a comedy career.
Mar,
You said you supported using the military against armed protesters who get in the face of police.
Mar, what, do you need pics or video? You think haircut protesters didn’t do that in a few states?
Online Vegan Johnny, use caution, this might not turn out with you talking down to another. You might just end up getting bullied more!
Pat, it was well played but the comparisons are completely moronic.
How many of those Chinese virus protestors in Michigan hurt a law enforcement officer? How many buildings were looted? Did they riot all night? Did they fire their guns? Did they get into the face of police officers and tell profanities at them?
But hey, nice try.
Mar it’s not a comparison. It’s what is real. There were well armed protesters, in military fatigues, wearing flak jackets, organized as militias. Do we wait for bullets to fly before we put them down? Do we consider them not dangerous until the bullets start flying.
Would it be ok for multitudes of well armed black militants, in military fatigues, wearing flak jackets, organized as militias, to be marching up to bunker boys fence, marching down the streets of Atlanta, Chicago, Portland, LA, Minneapolis, Phoenix, Kewaskum, West Bend, Slinger, Jackson?
“Did they get into the face of police officers”
Yup.
“Would it be ok for multitudes of well armed black militants, in military fatigues, wearing flak jackets, organized as militias, to be marching up to bunker boys fence, marching down the streets of Atlanta, Chicago, Portland, LA, Minneapolis, Phoenix, Kewaskum, West Bend, Slinger, Jackson?”
I have no problems as long as they do it peacefully.
And I am sure you have evidence they were in the face of the police, shouting profanities because I haven’t seen it.
In their face screaming is acceptable as long as it doesn’t include a profanity. Okay.
And you have evidence of that Pat?
And why are you so afraid of legal gun owners protesting with their guns?
Mar,
I only asked the question. You answered in the affirmative.
Should the federal government take military action before, during, or after an insurrection?
“I only asked the question. You answered in the affirmative.”
Nothing like taking my answer out of context.
“Should the federal government take military action before, during, or after an insurrection?”
What insurrection?
If there is violence where a local government cannot handle it themselves, like what happened in the past couple of weeks, then yes, the National Guard should be sent and if they cannot handle, then the active duty military.
Mar,
I agree with you. Local government should handle it. If there’s an issue that they can’t handle they place the call to the state Governor and request the national guard. If additional help is needed, the Governor places the call to the President and requests additional military help.
The President should not circumvent the Mayor and Governor and unilaterally send in troops.
“The President should not circumvent the Mayor and Governor and unilaterally send in troops.”
I agree, but the threat of it quieted things down very quickly.
National Guardsmen are the preferred military troops because they can be deputized for law enforcement. Active duty military cannot.
Oh, Oh…….
I think we just had a kumbaya moment at Boots and Sabers!
Pat,
You still have no plan…
Trump got it done.
Kevin,
Still no apology for bearing false witness? Saying I said something I never did.
Awful. Just awful.
what was your plan to stop the lawkess mob tyranny?
I’ve asked 5 times.
It is not false witness, if you say you are “against tyranny”, but then fail to oppose tyrannny when given the chance.
It makes you a hypocrite to criticize Trump on topic.
Just tell me your plan to fix the mob tyranny.
Kevin,
You claimed I said I support rioters and looters. You have not been able to produce a quote, in context, made by me where I said that.
Now, because you can’t produce the quote, you demand that I say something you want me to say. Since when do you get to tell anyone what to say? What gives you that right. You have the right to your opinion, but you don’t have the right to enforce that opinion on others, especially when it’s not the truth.
You should be ashamed of yourself. You claim to be a Christian. You’re proving otherwise with your behavior.
Kevin loves the boot.
“When George Orwell wrote that the future was a boot stamping on a human face forever, I don’t think he knew how many people would identify with the boot.”
>Kevin loves the boot.
Why are you such a bully? Does it make you feel better? Did your daddy not love you? See Johnny, you’re a hypocrite.
Pat,
You were against stopping the looters with troops. Unless you have an alternative to that, you side with lawless tyranny of the mob.
I asked what you wanted to do to stop the tyranny because you claimed to be “against tyranny”.
I am pointing out your hypocritical stance. I am willing to listen to your plan to stop your hypocrisy.
Go!
Kevin,
Please provide a quote, in context, that I made that said I supported rioters and looters.
Come on, it should be real easy for you. You keep saying I said it, but refuse to show me the quote.
Thought of you, Kev.
Here’s a real Kevin.
https://youtu.be/6QEv4abeTe4
Kevin,
Can’t the quote, in context, that I made that said I supported rioters and looters can you.
Waiting for your apology for lying.
Good for the shop owner.
Kevin,
Waiting for your apology for bearing false witness.
Pat,
Waiting for your plan to deal with the occupying tyrannical thugs in Seatlle.
If you are “against tyranny” I need to hear what you are doing about the tyrannical force in Seattle.
If answer is nothing, that means I am correct and you owe me an apology.
Kevin,
You were the one who can’t produce a quote, in context, made by me that said I support rioters and looters. Now that you’ve be called out for bearing false witness, you are attempting to change the narrative. I’m not playing along with you on that. Man up and admit your awful, just awful lie.
PAt,
You are the one that fails on simple logic. Can’t help that.
Don’t state you stand against tyranny, while you are silent on what to do about the Chaz tyrannical thugs.
Awful. Just awful.
Kevin,
You are the one who stated that I said I support rioters and looters. I never said that. You haven’t been able produce a quote, in context, where I made that statement. You, sir, are so dishonest with your false witness. And what is the most troublesome is you put yourself out as a Christian.
Awful, just awful.
PAt,
If you refuse the president’s strategy to stop the rioting and looting and propose none of your own strategy to stop their tyranny….you support the rioting and looting.
Tell me your plan to deal with rioters, looters,and Chaz. I only asked 10 times now.
Kevin,
Produce the quote, in context, where I said I support rioters and looters. That is what you’ve accused me of saying. I know you can’t do it.
PAt,
Your criticism of president’s plan to put down the rioters and looters and failure to have and alternate suggestion to deal with the Marxist oppressor looters is what puts you in support.
What is your plan?
11th time I have asked.
Or is your plan “nothing”, let liberal thug tyranny reign?
Kevin,
I know you’re attempting to shift away from youAr false witness. You can ask for “my” plan a thousand times and it won’t distract me from your false accusation that I said I supported rioters and looters. As you have failed to produce the quote made by me, there is no other conclusion to draw except you lied. You also lack the moral fortitude to admit you lied.
Pat,
When you give free reign to looters and rioters by opposing Trump’s plan to put them down and openly refuse to express an alternate plan to put them down…that puts you in support.
I did not do that, you did that.
Own it.
Kevin,
Quote please.
Waiting for your plan.
OTHER THAN NOTHING.
Kevin,
Provide me the quote, and I’ll provide you a plan.
From where I sit, Pat and Kevin, you both are wrong.
Kevin, Pat never came out said she supports rioters and looters.
On the other hand, Pst also made it clear that Pat is against the military being used and Pat has been stone cold quiet when given ample opportunity to condemn the rioters and looters. Being silent can be taken as a sign of guilt as well.
Look at the 4 cops in Minneapolis. 1 guy killed Floyd while the 3 others remained silent, but we consider those 3 guilty as well.
And Pat is playing the same game jjf and Le Roi play. If you don’t provide an exact quote on the subject, then they didn’t say it or mean it in their minds.
The exact quote game was originated by Kevin. It’s a lot of fun watching his contortions when it’s used back at him.
And, if you go back on this extraordinarily long thread, you will find where I explained the chain of authority.
Well, Pat, I saw your hatred of President Trump but did not see your anger towards the rioters and looters.
Just saying.
Where did I say I hated Trump. I like Trump maybe just a little less than you liked Obama.
“If we love America we must speak out against a tyrannical White House who threatens to active troops against its citizenry.
If we love America we should rid it of the disease of lies emanating from within the White House.”
Pretty sure that was not written with love in your heart.
As far as President Obama, I didn’t hate him, even he cost me tens of thousands of dollars. And he didn’t do a darn thing about the inner cities and the violence in them.
But he also did some good things.
And elections do have consequences, so I put my big boy pants on and dealt with it.
You are such a big boy!
“The exact quote game was originated by Kevin”
Exactly. And when you provide the quote, in context, he will claim he is alone privy to the absolute truth, then will call you a murderer, socialist, fascist, communist, liar, liberal, progressive, and/or a hater. But he will never admit he said what he said.
And neither do you Le Roi.
“If we love America we must speak out against a tyrannical White House who threatens to active troops against its citizenry.
If we love America we should rid it of the disease of lies emanating from within the White House.”
Pretty sure that was not written with love in your heart.
It was written out of concern for America, the country I love, in hopes that it can return to the greatness it used to be.
Well, Pat your hate shows up clearly. Which why I do think you support the rioters and looters. You hate President Trump and want to see him fail. You gloat when bad things happen.
And no, I don’t you love America. You only love it when things go your way but when they you turn into a hater.
“You only love it when things go your way but when they you turn into a hater.”
I’m going to put that quote on a t-shirt.
Cool. Make sure you add the word “don’t”.
Mar,
I could turn the table on you and say you, and Kevin, support the rioters and looters.
Go for it Pat.
You guys love the rioters and looters as it gives you the opportunity to use it for your narrative, to reelect Trump. You’d love to see more rioting and looting.
See how easy that was.
Oh Pat, such a lame response since I have called out the looters and rioters as thugs and expressed disgust with them.
If I had remained silent, like you, you may have a point.
You produced a lie.
And still no word criticizing the rioters and looters yet, Pat.
Just saying.
Mar,
You call them thugs and all, you secretly want looters and rioters because of your vile hatred of liberals and want no more than the msm to give 24/7 coverage to them to help achieve the tightest agenda for a Trump victory.
See. Easy once more.
Pat, did you get your morning meds at Mendota this morning?
Pat,
I have also called out ruoters and looters and demand they be stopped as awful evil.
Have you?
Nord,
Since you have never come up with a quote to your lies, I cannot dismisd fiction in your fantasy world.
Mar,
I’m just showing how easy it is to turn the table.
Pat,
When someone comes out against the evil clearly, and squarely, it counters your false narrative.
You say more unpleasant things about Trump then you do about the cop killing rioters and thug looters.
Kevin,
Quote please, in context, where I said I support rioters and looters. Come on, you said I stated that.
You said you can imply myself and Mar support looters.
We can counter that by denouncing them and supporting Trump’s plan to stop them.
Will you eek out denouncement of cop killing rioters and looters at least as harsh as your criticism of Trump as Mar pointed out? How will you stop them if you are against Trump’s plan?
Apparently, Pat is not thinking logically or factually but is instead is in fantasy land.
So, Pat is lying again. Just so pathetic.
And still condemnation of the looters and rioters.
I am being to think that Pat,jjf and Le Roi are the same person. They certainly have many of the same points and play the same games.
Mar,
Unfortunately, you are correct on that.
Sure. I hate cop killers. I don’t like rioters and looters. But I’m sure that Mar, as he has before, will say I’m lying.
And Kevin, I said what I supported when it comes time to handle rioters and looters. You can go back and read what I said about the chain of authority for doing so.
Pat finally came out the closet and says rioters and looters and police killers are bad.
That’s nice and you are ahead of jjf,Le Roi, Jonny and the other liberals here.
Congratulations.
Mar,
I never said differently! Duh!
PatjjfLeRoi, you never said it before. Period.
Duh.
Now, I’d like to see Kevin produce the quote that I supported rioters and looters. I never did say it, and he won’t be able to produce it.
Pat,
Finally, you must some hostility for rioters and looters! Still weak, compared to your vitriol toward Trump.
What do you want to do about them? Now that you oppose Trump’s plan?
If you have no plan to deal with them, your “denouncement” rings hollow.
Kevin,
What’s your plan?
Patleroijjf, stop playing games. You sound like an idiot.
pat,
I like Trump plan against lawless tyranny and godless liberal insurrections
k:
You are the last person to claim others live in a fantasy world. I dismisd your false claim as yet another of your hyperbolic and transparently untrue accusations against folks that you can’t control. You are just another tin-pot bully, stomping your feet and shuffling down the ramp.
mar:
You are being to sound more and more like a desperate and tortured soul. Now sniff some rear gas and go out and win a conservation for the Gipper.
mar:
No, I have never supported rioters or looters, nor criminals of any kind, and I have never said that I did. I have always been a lawful person, and have supported a lawful society my entire life. And I have never hid that from anyone.
You are lying again.
What’s Trumps plan? Please provide complete details.
LeRoipatjjf, you also never condemned the rioters and looters.
Actions speak louder than words.
And no, Le Roi, I don’t believeyou, you have lied so much, you have no credibility.
Pat,
He wants to send in the “troops” to restore order where liberals are failing badly to keep order.
What will be the chain of authority?
mar:
I truly don’t care who or what you believe. It is still a free country (in spite of folks like you and trump), and you are free to believe whatever nonsense you want.
“He wants to send in the “troops” to restore order where liberals are failing badly to keep order.“
Sounds like an action. What is the plan? What are all the pertinent steps he’s taking in implementing his plan?
Pat, he has let the locals try to figure it out. Then the state governments and then the National Guard.
If all these failed, then he has the option to send in troops to help quell disturbances.
That’s the plan.
Thanks Kevin.
This is what I said days ago.
Kevin,
Has Trump plan been documented?
Looks like Mar is Kevin’s sock puppet.
Looks like Pat is a wackadoodle.
“Has Trump plan been documented?”
Trump is pretty good on not giving out details of using the military. It’s not like he will go on Fox to tell us his plans.
Then how do we know he has a plan????
Pat, President Obama give the public his plan when they got Bin Laden?
You really have to think this through.
Mar,
Kevin said his plan was the same as Trump’s. I asked what the plan was. You jumped in, speaking on behalf of Kevin, saying it’s a secret plan that no one knows except Trump. My question then is, how do you know there is a plan if it’s a secret?? Maybe Kevin has a clear answer.
Wait. I have it. Kevin’s plan is a secret, just like Trump’s.
Now that makes sense.
“You jumped in, speaking on behalf of Kevin, saying it’s a secret plan that no one knows except Trump.”
Are you really that stupid?
And you have evidence that only President Trump knows his plan? Produce it.
Otherwise, stop playing the fool.
You have evidence he has a plan? Are you saying Trump confides in you with his plans?
Ok,Pat, it’s time to take your lithium at Mendota. Have nice night.
So that’s a no, Trump doesn’t confide in you, and yes, you don’t know that Trump has a plan. Maybe Kevin knows.
Pat, now you are acting like an idiot.
But just between you and me, President Trump does ask me what to tweet, before he tweets.
He also asks for my suggestion on who blast on Twitter. And he asks for my advice on his golfing game.
I also heard that President Trump asks Le Roi and Pat how to lie and get away with it, asks jjf about how to troll the internet but I know he doesn’t ask him about how to make a data request. He asks Kevin for his religious beliefs and Owen how to run a blog.
Mar,
You don’t really know that Trump has a plan, do you.
Yes, Pat, he does. I know he does but I cannot tell due to security reasons.
Do you have a treatment plan?
Well mar, you heard wrong. You are lying again.