Boy howdy… I step away from the computer for 36 hours or so and all hell breaks loose. Let’s hope that the legislature will reign in our banal tyrant.
Less than 24 hours after Democratic Gov. Tony Evers announced a statewide mask order for Wisconsin, Republicans in the state Senate have signaled they have the votes to begin the process of striking it down.
In a statement Friday, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, said Senate Republicans “stand ready to convene the body to end the Governor’s order, which includes the mask mandate.”
“The Governor has caved to the pressure of liberal groups on this,” Fitzgerald said. “How can we trust that the he won’t cave again and stop schools that choose in-person instruction this fall? There are bigger issues at play here, and my caucus members stand ready to fight back.”
[…]
Announced Thursday, the state mask order goes into effect Saturday.
Under the new order, which expires Sept. 28, everyone age 5 and older must wear a face covering when indoors or in any enclosed space open to the public including outdoor bars and restaurants, public transit and outdoor park structures. The order does not apply to people in their private residences.
The mayor where I live by imposed a mandatory mask to enter businesses.
She said that she sees almost 100% compliance.
But yet the number of Chinese virus has not decreased.
Hmm, I think the mayor is,an idiot.
Perfectly stated Owen.
It’s been fun to see Trump supporters heads explode over the mask mandate.
Oh, and Mar’s comma before ‘an’ means he is calling himself an idiot. That is hilarious too.
So much entertainment…for free!
Nice try Randall, but what you said about the comma is wrong.
Besides being a typo, my name is not in the sentence, so, well, you need a refresher English class.
Mar:
It is clear you were signing your post “an idiot”. You just forgot to put it on the next line. Let me help you put it the correct way.
The mayor where I live by imposed a mandatory mask to enter businesses.
She said that she sees almost 100% compliance.
But yet the number of Chinese virus has not decreased.
Hmm, I think the mayor is,
an idiot.
Next up, we will try and figure out what But yet the number of Chinese virus has not decreased means.
Wow, Randall, do belong to the Nazi Grammar police squad?
Or do you belong to the IAASPOC squad?
Why do I have to wear pants? The government can’t order me to wear clothes.
Infrastructure-as-a-service proof of concept? Wow, Mar is a database genius!
Nope Mar, I belong to the Mar deserves to be subjected to the same tactics he dishes out squad. Suck it up buttercup.
It’s a mystery, Randall. Can’t imagine why he isn’t working in the schools any more.
Pflugg: a chipmunk before his birth? What changed??\
Jiffy: a self-hating Lefty with change-the-topic issues.
Boring.
Topic at hand: Vos has not yet announced he’ll call the Assembly into action; Fitz–who has a primary opponent–has done so. S’pose Vos has to do some arm-twisting here?
Dumbass Randall, I rarely, if ever, correct people on their spelling or grammar.
Grow up son.
“Can’t imagine why he isn’t working in the schools any more.”
So says a dumbass who cannot use a basic database.
And then says they work with computers.
Right.
mar:
You just call folks uneducated, stupid, morons, or idiots. Yet you still believe all the nonsense trump throws at you. That doesn’t speak well for your intelligence.
You just call folks uneducated, stupid, morons, or idiots. Yet you still believe all the nonsense trump throws at you. That doesn’t speak well for your intelligence.
He also doesn’t understand why doing so brings what he gets. He is the perfect Trump supporter. Behaves the same as Trump in every way. Probably wondering why no one likes him at this very moment……
dad29:
I don’t remember anything before my birth so I can’t say what I was.
Who knows, maybe I have lizard DNA like Trump’s favorite doctor (and his source of COVID knowledge) says I do.
Well Pathological Liar Le Roi, I don’t believe everything President Trump. So, you are lying again.
But you like nothing he does and you hate him.
I guess you are more of a loser than I am.
Dad29 sez: BUY MORE AMMO!
You assert you were not human pre-birth. What magic made you human now, assuming you are?
You assert you were not human pre-birth. What magic made you human now, assuming you are?
Demon Sperm
mar:
But you believe the worst of trump, and keep repeating that nonsense over and over.
Now point to the elephant…..
Le Roi:
In my experience, if someone has to say they don’t agree with Trump on everything, they do…..
It’s like starting a post with “Now I’m no Trump supporter but <repeat Trump dogma here>”
Wow, Randall now has joined the Luars Boat.
Le Roi, jjf,Pat and now Randall.
That boat is getting pretty full.
I think jjf, Pat, jjf and Randall need to wear some kind PPE device to protect other liberals from their lying.
That’s “Liar” for the Nazi grammar police officers Le Roi and Randall.
That would be a spelling mistake Mar, not a grammar mistake.
https://blog.online-spellcheck.com/spelling-2/spelling-and-grammar-mistakes-whats-the-difference/
Can’t help making yourself look foolish! There you did it in two consecutive posts!
For all you liberals out there. Just for you:
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2708001976138680&id=100007867113892&set=a.2572441586361387&source=48
For all of you conservatives out there too lazy to look things up. Just for you:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/19/fact-check-asking-face-masks-wont-violate-hipaa-4th-amendment/5430339002/
https://wjon.com/can-you-legally-ask-someone-why-they-arent-wearing-a-mask-yes-expert-says/
https://www.katc.com/news/getting-answers/getting-answers-do-hipaa-laws-restrict-businesses-from-asking-someone-why-they-are-not-wearing-a-mask
Randall,
I know this is hard for you being a liberal and all, BUT
Bershire Hathaway is subject to Hippa and a host of other medical privacy laws because it heavily invests in health insurance, and medical providers.
Want to guess who owns International DQ?
So if our parent company is subject to these laws, are you saying sections on the parent company can ignore medical privacy laws?
I can’t wait for you to tell me that….because then I will haul out Berkshire code of ethical conduct subjecting all subsidiaries to same behavior.
I will take your apology for your painful misstatement anytime.
Randall,
This is all about you liberals upset that business owners are not taking a communist, KGB, leftist position. If you want us to work our customers over the “hot lights” in questioning a,medical exception…you will have to do your dirty, liberal, totalitarian work yourselves. I trust my customers. I don’t have an air of disdain for customers who believe they are exempted.
“There is no civil right to do as you chose, if by doing so you present a risk of harm which infringes on the rights of others”.
Guess you missed that part, eh k?
Eh….so what?
A business owner may ask why Joe Blow is not wearing a mask. Joe Blow can say “health condition.” The business owner has a decision: allow Joe Blow into the building or not. The prudent biz owner may simply NOT ask, on the probability that Joe Blow has a health condition and knows what the Hell he’s doing.
If biz owner asks Joe Blow to describe the ‘health condition,’ Joe Blow has a decision. Say what it is, or not.
If the biz owner is obnoxious enough to ask, I’d take a walk. There are plenty of grocery stores in Wisconsin; same with DQ’s, gas stations, yada.
Nord,
So my “silence” is advocating an evil position?
I know someone here who constantly argues that silence is perfectly fine and not adovocation of evil. Why the change of position, hypocrite?
k, you have never been very silent, so what on earth are you talking about?
Nord,
You are jacked off I am not asking my unmasked customers to prove their medical exemption. “Silence”.
I “trust”.
You hate.
You are a hypocrite.
No k, I’m not “jacked off”, whatever that means in k-speak. And no, I don’t hate anybody, not you, not mar, not trump. You made all that stuff up to make yourself feel more important.
Thanks for agreeing dad29. A business owner (or an employee) can indeed ask someone why they are wearing a mask and, if they say health condition, ask what the condition is. The person without the mask does not have to answer.
As far as should they ask? It may not be a good idea to ask:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html
Le Roi du Nord
As I read Kevin’s posts, this comes to mind:
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
–Macbeth
Libs,
So because I refuse to be the enforcer, you call me an idiot?
If you want me to be your beloved Russian KGB on this, do your own dirty, dirty liberal totalitarian work.
Nord, you are such a hypocrite, why is my silence against dirty, dirty, unconstitutional liberal mandates a problem for you? You claim silence to positions is not acceptance. I am just silent to medical exception….why are you such a hypocrite?
You should be praising my silence here. Protecting rights, medical privacy, and decency in the process. Not like I am sticking up for criminals, and siding with hate of kaw enfircenent with your silence like you do.
Dad29’s just playing his usual game. He Respects The Rule Of Law, but he’s always looking for an angle that exempts himself. He’s special, you see. Knows A Guy. Here’s What You Do, (Lean In, Eyebrow Raise). This is how he shows defiance to Dictator Evers!
k:
You are quick to call others “idiots” (or similar), yet subject us all to your nonsensical and factually incorrect rants, even on Sunday at 2 AM. Were you ever silent on subjects where you have no knowledge or expertise, I would applaud you. Were you capable of a civil and honest discussion, I would applaud you. Were you not so aggressively and willfully ignorant, I would applaud you.
Now, where did I ever, “claim silence to positions is not acceptance” ?
Or where did I ever claim to be, “sticking up for criminals, and siding with hate of kaw enfircenent (and you call me an idiot)” ? Whereas I have always proposed throwing the book at any and all folks, R, D, or Martian, that violate the law.
Nord,
So you are just fine with my business sign on masks, then?
Tin-Pot Tony’s mandate is NOT “law.” Apparently Jiffy doesn’t know from “law” although he also apparently knows another’s mind from quite a distance.
How about Pelosi’s prescribing Mary Jane for Covid? Tin-Pot should have thought of that, too.
k:
Since I don’t ever plan on visiting your business I really don’t have a position on your decision. If you are so insensitive to the health and welfare of your customers and employees that you don’t require masks, or even common sense, for that matter, you will have to live with that decision.
Dad29, your psychic powers have determined all sorts of things about other people, haven’t they? If Evers’ mandate doesn’t matter, then why did so many sheriffs decide they need to stand up to say what they’ll do about it?
Kevin:
If you want to post lies at your business, go ahead. But why do you get so mad when others point out the lies (including sources as backup)?
Were you ever silent on subjects where you have no knowledge or expertise, I would applaud you. Were you capable of a civil and honest discussion, I would applaud you. Were you not so aggressively and willfully ignorant, I would applaud you.
As goes Trump, so goes his supporters…..
RANDALL,
Do you know who owns DQ?
Do you denounce the liberal owner of DQ?
Trouble reading, Jiffy? I said that it is not “LAW” contrary to your erroneous assertion. Does it matter? Sure, although it’s irrational.
Kevin:
Doesn’t matter who owns them. You sign claims you cannot legally ask about health conditions due to HIPAA and the ADA.
I provided links to show that is not true.
If you still think it is true, show me the proof that you cannot legally do so. It being a company policy does not prove it is because of HIPAA and the ADA.
If you have no proof be a man and admit you don’t.
dad29:
Serious question: do you think the legislature will meet this week and overturn the mandate?
Randall,
Berkshite Hathaway owns DQ brand. Berkshire has heavy investments in health insuranve and health care field.
Are you arguing that certain parts of Bershire umbrelka can ignore medical privacy laws? Even the most insane liberal does not do that.
Randall,
Berkshire Hathaway owns DQ brand. Berkshire has heavy investments in health insurance and health care field.
Are you arguing that certain parts of Bershire umbrella can ignore medical privacy laws? Even the most insane liberal does not do that.
50-50. Fitz wants to, Vos wants to see contributions before he does anything.
On the bright side, if they do convene. we’d get to hear all their explanations as to why masks don’t work and why HCQ and a bright light inside the body and mama’s vitamin D smoothies will cure it, and that’ll attract media attention nationwide, and that might improve tourism eventually after the pandemic clears, so jobs, right?
Kevin, do those laws cover your employees or do they cover anyone who walks in to buy an essential Dilly Bar? Show your work.
P.S. You don’t need to ask why, you can simply bar them from your place if they’re not wearing a mask.
P.P.S. If you knew Dad29 was inventing an medical excuse as to why he’s not wearing a mask, would you kick him out?
Are you arguing that certain parts of Bershire umbrella can ignore medical privacy laws? Even the most insane liberal does not do that.
I am saying there are no medical privacy laws that prohibit a business owner/employee from asking a customer why they are not wearing a mask. I furnished sources to back that.
If you have sources that show differently, go ahead and share.
Randall
So if I ask mt customer a medical reason for not wearing a mask, and my camera DVR records it, have I created an “inadvertant medical record”?
This is ehy its better not to ask, too much regulation thanks to you hurtful liberals.
You’re just pretending to not understand, Kevin. Are you a medical service?
On the bright side, if they do convene. we’d get to hear all their explanations as to why masks don’t work and why HCQ and a bright light inside the body and mama’s vitamin D smoothies will cure it,
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-indian-slum-contained-a-possible-covid-19-disaster-with-hydroxychloroquine
We should be so lucky to be as smart as India. (Deaths/M = 28, USA = 480/M, WI = 163M.) (India Cases/M = 1343, USA = 14,664, WI = 9503).
Gee, Mark, now you are going to have jjf and Le Roi head explode.
Better watch out for the splatter and the remaining 8 brain cells between them.
jjf, a business owner can ask why a person is not wearing a mask.
But they cannot ask particular details of a person’s medical history.
If they refuse to let a person in their store, they run the risk of being sued under the ADA act.
Heh.
So if I ask mt customer a medical reason for not wearing a mask, and my camera DVR records it, have I created an “inadvertant medical record”?
Perhaps. If you have, that was your choice. You could ask without the DVR on. So in short, still no proof a business owner cannot ask due to ADA or HIPAA.
Randall, I reread all of Kevin’s comments.
Please show me where he said a business owner cannot ask why a person is not wearing a mask.
An owner can ask but he cannot ask about specific medical conditions. And if the owner refuses service because a handicapping condition, yes, they can be sued.
Ooo, the sign of Real Medicine!
jjf showing his ignorance again.
Come on, Mar, tell me why the homeopathic medicines are effective.
https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php
You take vitamins? Minerals? Supplements? How about acupuncture?
But I guess you just rely on doctors only and all their medications and treatments.
Mar:
Start whit the sign he posted (Facebook link). Then add these in:
Berkshite Hathaway owns DQ brand. Berkshire has heavy investments in health insuranve and health care field.
Are you arguing that certain parts of Bershire umbrelka can ignore medical privacy laws? Even the most insane liberal does not do that.
and
Bershire Hathaway is subject to Hippa and a host of other medical privacy laws because it heavily invests in health insurance, and medical providers.
Want to guess who owns International DQ?
So if our parent company is subject to these laws, are you saying sections on the parent company can ignore medical privacy laws?
An owner can ask but he cannot ask about specific medical conditions.
Wrong. “And to add to the misinformation, there is no right not to be asked about your health conditions. HIPAA covers only a limited number of entities, which does not include employers or businesses,”
This article contains that quote and address your other points: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/15/fact-check-ada-disability-rights-and-face-mask-requirements/5391830002/
Mar, keep up. I said “homeopathic.” Are you trying to change the subject?
It’s the politicization of this medicine by the mainstream media
Trump politicized it when, in March, he lied about it’s effectiveness with no validated medical evidence, and lied that the FDA had approved it for coronavirus treatment. Also he never disclosed he had a stake in the company that makes it, which makes one suspicious he did it for financial reasons.
So, if there is evidence now, it is looked upon skeptically because of that lie and lack of disclosure.There are consequences to his actions.
I guess jjf, you have a conservative view of a homeopathic definition while I have a more liberal view of homeopathy.
Imagine that.
Randall lying again.
President Trump has a $1500 stake in one of the companies that make hydroxychloroquine.
But liars do what liars do…lie.
Shocking Randall has gone down the meth like road jjf and Le Roi are on.
1) Trump did not lie about its efficacy; he said that when administered on time in conjunction with z-pak and zinc, it’s effective treatment. He also said that it’s a prophylactic.
In fact, what he said is EXACTLY true. Your ignorance of the matter is irrelevant.
2) Trump held a $1,500.00 stake in some drug outfit? WOW!!! I’ll bet he called the CEO every night to check on his investment. Probably lost sleep over it until he magically made Sino-Sinus-Syphilis a pandemic by waving his hair and chanting incantations.
$1,500.00. Really? On what planet do you really live?
You could look a lot more intelligent after you google “Dharavi Covid” and read the story.
Or you could skip that part and continue to look like a sad-sack un-informed Trump hater.
Excellent story Dad29. Sending in 2500 health workers and having a nation wide lockdown really worked there.
I did note Dharavi had their first case on April 2nd, and Trump’s statements were in March, so it would have no bearing on any statements Trump made in March.
Let me say it again: when Trump made his statements in March and early April on HCQ, there was no validated medical evidence on it. So, he created confusion and doubt, rather than just keeping quiet and letting the medical community test it.
Also, if the investment is no big deal, why didn’t Trump just mention it?
President Trump has a $1500 stake in one of the companies that make hydroxychloroquine.
Thanks for confirming Trump did indeed have a stake, and that I didn’t lie Mar!
“He also said that it’s a prophylactic.“
Like what he didn’t use when he raw dogged the porn star when his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child.
I use the same standard with Trump I use with every POTUS: Trump should be able to back everything he says with proof. And I am not talking about things clearly expressed as opinions (so statements that start with “In my opinion” or the like”
*When he says you can test too much and says “read the manuals” I expect a list of those manuals
*When he said HCQ works in early March, I expected proof.
*When he says there are millions of illegal votes, I expect proof.
I could go on and on and on. But I wager I could list 100 and it still wouldn’t matter to some posters on here.
Mar is the closest to Trump on these boards. When he accuses someone of lying, there is never any links or proof. Just him saying “You are lying.”
He said I was lying when I said Trump had a stake in a HCQ manufacturer, and then stated Trump has a stake in an HCQ manufacturer. That is some Trump-worthy rhetoric there.
Do you think that Trump is SO SMART that he pulled that stuff from thin air? No. He was TOLD that by someone–perhaps someone acquainted with the French (successful) experiments with that. He does have sources which are superior to yours, or Chris Cuomo’s, ya’know.
As to “validated”, don’t play the FauciFraud BS here. Doctors who treat patients do not have 12-15 months to wait while a double-blind random selection placebo ‘gold standard’ study is run. I seriously doubt that if you were a patient you’d want to hold off while FDA plays its games, especially if your doc had told you the Frogs have a remedy which seems to work with NO ill-effects.
But go ahead, tell me you’d rather die than try it. Lie if you have to.
The first time trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine (March 19):
“Nothing will stand in our way as we pursue any avenue to find what best works against this horrible virus,” he said. “Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it ‘hydroxy-.’ Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. … It is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.”
He was wrong then, and is still wrong today.
Ah, Le Roi The Liar Hater.
Studies have come out saying hydroxychloroquine does work if used properly in many cases.
You just won’t accept it.
And when you will stop taking it? I am concerned for your health and the liberals say it may kill you.
So, please stop taking it or you won’t reach to be a Liar Hater 70 years old. That’s what liberal science says.
Because fraudsters always leave a clearly marked trail and give you flashlights to see it better. You’ve hit a Jiffy-Level of stupidity there.
Because fraudsters always leave a clearly marked trail and give you flashlights to see it better. You’ve hit a Jiffy-Level of stupidity there.
He claimed millions of votes. If there is no proof we can apply Hitchens razor:
“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
Do you think that Trump is SO SMART that he pulled that stuff from thin air? No. He was TOLD that by someone–perhaps someone acquainted with the French (successful) experiments with that. He does have sources which are superior to yours, or Chris Cuomo’s, ya’know.
So why didn’t he mention the French studies specifically? If he has sources superior to mine he should have no problems producing them. And yet….crickets.
Thanks to extensive research, I have found Trump’s source for his information:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pull%20it%20out%20of%20my%20ass
And there goes Randall. Just became irrelevant.
Can’t win arguments, so lie, deceive and act like an ass.
So, what does it feel like to be such a loser, Randall?
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”
― Margaret Thatcher
Hey mar, that was a quote. Are you saying trump was lying, or that you don’t believe him?
Dad29 Logic: If you can’t see it, it must be true.
Why sure! You are SO important that Trump should send you personalized letters on the matter, too! With perfumed stationery.
Any old commie-spotter like you, Dad29, should be able to tell the difference between good ol’ USA science and medicine and Trump’s emulation of Lysenkoism.
Sources, schmources – Trump knows a guy! In France!
Riiiiiight.
Still waiting for someone to address the good old science and medicine published here. http://www.bootsandsabers.com/2020/08/03/dont-play-politics-with-masks/#comment-40922
You know, the scientific studies that show historically that cloth masks did nothing and in one study wearing them resulted in higher infection rates than a control group. Unfortunately our local disgraced lefties cannot touch it – they only want to cherry pick opinion from the CDC and not actual science.
Coo, coo!
So nothing but nonsense and insults. And here I thought you had been begging for friendly, civil discourse, science, and facts. Bummer, you’re really letting us down.