A few thoughts jump out at me as we finish counting the votes:
- Trump’s weakness in the suburbs was real.
- Trump has rebuilt a new coalition for the GOP that includes more working class people, Hispanic people, and black people. The GOP should continue the effort in that direction.
- Republicans did pretty good across the country. With expectations of a Blue Wave, Republicans held their own in the states, made gains in the House, held the Senate, etc. In Wisconsin, the Republicans still control the legislature and the congressional delegation remains the same (with an unexpectedly close race for the 3rd CD). This tells us what we already knew: the US is pretty evenly divided right now.
- In Wisconsin, Trump increased his turnout and Biden dis MUCH better than Hillary Clinton. It shows what a weak candidate Clinton was and how much the Left hates Trump.
- I noticed last night that the rioters teed up when it looked like Trump was going to win… and then held back when the race shifted Biden’s way. That means something.
- As for me, I am going to go to work, run some errands, spend time with my family, and get on with life.
- We need to make sure that all the votes are counted and that any fraud is found and prosecuted. Irrespective of the outcome, we, as a people, must have confidence that our elections accurately reflect the will of the people.
A report out of Michigan–who knows how accurate–relates that Wayne County found 139,000+ votes and every single one was for Biden.
Huh.
dad29, do you have a reliable source for that?
“and how much the Left hates Trump.”. You forgot all the R’s that don’t like him, either.
I agree, make sure all the fraud is prosecuted, including the folks that voted twice at trump’s suggestion.
Elsewhere in the fraud department, I find it telling that the 3 un-called States that favor Biden have him ahead by about 7k, 20k and 30k. All numbers that are within successful fraud campaign possibilities. The 3 major States Trump is ahead in are leads of 80k, 100k and 500k. 50,000 is thought to be an achievable number of fraudulent votes even in large States. Every Biden State, that gives him exactly 270 electoral votes, is within that parameter, none of Trump’s are. A not so probable coincidence?
Haven’t dug into other state votes yet, but here in Wisconsin Jorgensen covered the spread. Gonna be interesting to see how the GOP reacts to that.
Tuerqas, are you insinuating major voter fraud? If so, would you assume the same thing 4 years ago when Trump won by 20K votes?
Last time I checked there has never been an instance of major voter fraud on the national level to anything NEAR that level. Just because it is believed theoretically that it could happen, doesn’t mean it has or ever will.
Has anyone heard that there were more votes cast in Wisconsin than actual registered voters?
Mar, I heard that rumor and it was quickly debunked. I think the confusion was there were more votes than registered voters on Nov 1st. But obviously we are a day-of registration state. So… people registered day of.
Thanks, Jonny.
Limbaugh is spreading it and it didn’t seem right.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524497-biden-wins-most-votes-of-any-presidential-candidate-in-history?fbclid=IwAR0wDHBisAx-fB8LjfvBMDJeL5mcokUIIa4wyxkMYoOnFlWG216ZHMBdZCg
A few thoughts:
– WOW turned into W-OW as Ozaukee and Waukesha Counties continue to slide away from being strong GOP territory. My theory continues to be the Bushwood Effect, with the Democrats promising no Al Czerviks trying to crash Bushwood, and the aging money in Mequon and Brookfield beginning to turn into Judge Smails much as Wauwatosa and the Milwaukee County portion of the North Shore fully have.
– Gordon Hintz’s continued wins notwithstanding, Fond du Lac County is quickly replacing Ozaukee County as the north/west portion of the Republican ring around Milwaukee. If the GOP can regain its footing in Waukesha County, we could rename the ring WWF partly as a nod to the Trumpists.
– Going further north, the Fox Valley and (outside of Green Bay and Door County) northeast Wisconsin are becoming more-reliably Republican.
– Maybe the Republicans will realize that the Libertarian Party cost them this election. Jo Jorgensen’s 1% haul cost Trump Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada, and likely will also cost him Pennsylvania (though the court-sanctioned injection of late-arriving/late-created ballots there guaranteed the state to Biden/Harris). The question will be whether they simply bring them back in (unlikely, given the goal of the Libertarians for decades has been the destruction of the GOP) or not allow any dissent from their side of the “middle” like the Democrats did this time around in places like Wisconsin and Nevada.
– Speaking of that silencing of leftist dissent, between that and the open wooing of the hard left, it worked in spades for the Democrats. In the few states where the Green Party was allowed on the ballot, their candidate got an average of less than 0.25%.
– Biden wasn’t the only record-setter. As I type, DDHQ has Trump at just over 68 million votes, the most a Republican ever received and the third-most in history behind Biden’s haul and 1.4 million behind Obama’s 2008 total.
I don’t know, Biden is such a weak candidate. Did that many people who didn’t vote for Hillary really learn to hate Trump that much? Could be, he really is a bad human being. I just did not expect a Biden win from huge turnout. I thought if Biden did win it would because the silent conservatives didn’t vote for Trump.
The only answer for the one of the biggest voter responses in history is the mail in/absentee vote. There has never been a proven instance of voter fraud on that magnitude, but we have never opened this door before. I do not trust either party with the mail in vote. And really, we knew the way about forty States would turn out before the election. You don’t have to flip all of the battleground states, only enough to make 270 electoral votes and I found it a very convenient coincidence that Biden should lead just enough of those states by so very little to hit 270 votes exactly.
As far as past elections, for some incomprehensible reason the high population coastal states and Illinois are always Dem. If there was a 55-45 election margin in all states, the popular vote would normally be skewed towards Dems because of it. A candidate could lose the popular vote by millions and still win the election if they won their states by 1%, but lost the others by 10%. California gave Biden over 7.7 million votes with only 66% reporting and they only needed 4 million for a comfortable win. To be honest it surprises me quite a bit that Trump won the popular vote at all in 2016.
Personally, I think the early votes should have a cut off date and all be counted before the general election day. Then all of the registered voters would be crossed off the lists before voting day. If there are two letters for the same person, same address, one gets thrown out. If someone comes in and has already voted, they can’t do it again plain and simple. If they say they did not vote already, one vote on record would be taken away from the already voted. Every mail in should be added to the roll books (preferably pre-election) and I don’t think anything like that has happened this election. The letters were checked for a valid address, but not checked off anything. People really could have voted multiple times. So was Biden having a dementia moment when he slipped out that they had the best fraud campaign ever produced? It is convenient that his supporters say he is of sound mind, but then laugh off a gaffe like that as a simple mistake. Was Biden a big mistake ridden man under Obama? I don’t remember that he had that reputation.
GOP Thugs attempt to stop the vote count in Michigan.
Awful. Just awful.
All votes matter! Trump could still pull this off!
No. Barrett, Satya-Jones, and the weasel in Green Bay would then have the exact total they need to produce on ED–and they would find a way to do it.
Better: NO early voting, absentee OK but only if ID is provided. Show up on election day or don’t count. Belling’s EV crusade is simply wrong.
As to the question posed by JonnyV: there is NO DOUBT that there was election fraud in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and likely some other States as well.
The liceity of Democrat governance is now at zero. Tony Earl was perhaps the last honest Democrat Governor in this state. Doyle certainly wasn’t; and Evers is a lying sack, who can’t even lie artfully.
“NO DOUBT that there was election fraud in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and likely some other States as well.“
How so?
Well, you might think so, but there’s not strong evidence either way.
We can look at data from 2016, but it scatters pretty well. There’s weak evidence that Johnson hurt Trump more than Clinton. This year there’s not a lot of evidence either way given that Jorgensen wasn’t included in most polls. If Republicans want to argue that it was those evil Libertarians that made Trump lose, maybe they should consider reaching out to them — like Trump was attempting towards the end of the campaign.
I also don’t think “the goal of the Libertarians for decades has been the destruction of the GOP”. I think they’d be just as happy beating Democrats as Republicans. That happened in Wyoming just yesterday.
https://www.clarionledger.com/elections/results/race/2020-11-03-state_house-WY-51377/
Oops. I forgot the link to the data:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-gary-johnson-taking-more-support-from-clinton-or-trump/
I take it you weren’t around for the Jim Doyle years, jsr. First, the Libertarians (and certain Legislative Republicans) recruited Ed Thompson, Tommy’s less-popular brother, to take out Scott McCallum in favor of Doyle in 2002. Then they used the spot they earned on the State Elections Board by virtue of Thompson’s strong showing in that election to help the Democrats overturn decades of precedent and prevent Mark Green from converting his federal campaign account to a state campaign account, again to help elect Doyle (and in the process backstab said certain Legislative Republicans).
Oh, I forgot to mention the issue which the Libertarians signed onto in 2002 was the retention of shared revenue, something a small-l libertarian would have been against like McCallum.
The only way I think that you eliminate EV is you need to make “Election Day” 2 full days and a national holiday. Giving everyone the chance to vote without having long lines. Almost everyone I know here in the city of Milwaukee did early voting. Either to avoid lines or to avoid crowds and people.
dad29, you are a little nutty to think that there was much voter fraud. I think that as per usual, we will find a handful of cases on both sides where someone voted twice. Repeat after me… there is NO widespread voter fraud.
I was here steveegg. I remember something different.
A post-election Scott Rasmussen Public Opinion Research poll of 1,000 governor race voters commissioned by the Thompson campaign showed who Thompson voters would have voted for if Thompson had not run as the Libertarian governor candidate
Thompson voters split equally in their second choice, with 30% for Republican McCallum, 30% for Democrat Jim Doyle, and 27% for Green Jim Young. Ten percent would not have voted without the Thompson option. Thompson’s absence would not even decrease Doyle’s lead over McCallum.
Tell me again how Libertarians cost Scott the election.
So one Libertarian on the Elections Board kept Mark Green from converting his money? It looked to me then and now that such conversion was illegal. The fact that the Elections Board ignored the law doesn’t make it right.
Despite what Fox and the AP says , Arizona is still in play. Despite what the stupid Secretary of State and election officials say or do.
And Nevada is scheming to find a way for Biden to win.
Was busy getting DQ approved by City yesterday.
I am not overly thrilled about presidential election result. Very excited about Senate and House results after Republicans were outspend 10 to 1 by big money on other side.
Biden seems to have won. While he is not my preferred choice, as a Christian, I urge all to honor and respect civil authority and wish for a peaceful transition. With Republicans holding Senate, there will be a check and balance on power. Democracy works. Lets give Republican Senators a chance to be “heros of the Republic” against the awful, godless, Marxist, agenda.
I urge all to not make transition process look like what liberals did in 2016. That was 4 years of a lack of peaceful transition and it was ugly.
I pray conservatives set the appropriate example. Respect and honor the winner, while opposing things that violate Christian conscience, like funding of abortion.
Sorry, Kevin, I completely disagree.
The Democrats and liberals are bullies and the only way to handle a bully is to hit them on the nose with a newspaper and if that doesn’t work, then hit them harder.
Look at the latest Supreme Court fight, the GOP was threatened and harrassed but the GOP fought back strongly and the Democrats whimpered away.
Does McConnell have the fight in him, I sure hope so.
Unfortunately, it’s already too late for a peaceful transition. Trump told his militia groups they no longer need to “stand down” and thus we got armed mobs trying to break down the doors where the vote counting is taking place.
And am I the only one who literally laughed out loud when seeing the biggest name-caller on this blog whine about other folks being a “bully”? Physician, heal thyself! lol
Mar, the GOP was harassed because they were were hypocritical when it came to the supreme court seat. Plain and simple. The Garland situation was no different than the Coney situation and they absolutely rushed it thru after claiming for months and years that the people should have a say (especially in the final year of the presidency). Clearly they could do it because they had control. But, that doesn’t stop it from being hypocritical at every point in the process.
“And am I the only one who literally laughed out loud when seeing the biggest name-caller on this blog whine about other folks being a “bully”? Physician, heal thyself! lol”
Now, penquin, I know you were not talking about me as I do not whine.
penquin, what are the Democrats hiding?
Stupidity run in your family?
Who said “vote twice”? We now have reports of dead men voting in Wisconsin, but they only voted once. So I guess that passes your smell test, eh?
Detroit and Philly are illegally refusing entrance to (R) poll-watchers. Nevada has thumb-drives appearing out of nowhere. Wisconsin shows 79% voter turnout.
Sure. It’s all fine. /sarc
Above I asked whether you are stupid. You answered the question right there. Maybe a few weeks less CNN and PMSNBC would add back several IQ points?
“We now have reports of dead men voting in Wisconsin“
Citation please.
“Detroit and Philly are illegally refusing entrance to (R) poll-watchers.“
There are official D & R poll watchers in attendance.
“Nevada has thumb-drives appearing out of nowhere.”
Citation please.
Let’s not forget the Michigan post office supervisor who jiggered the mail ballots to show postmark on ED. But each of those ballots was only counted once, so no fraud, right?
Gosh, I love these tin foil conspiracy rants.
“There are official D & R poll watchers in attendance.”
Yes, at a distance of about 25 feet or more, which is basically the same thing as not being there.
What are the Democrats hiding?
Marbles,
You’ll need to provide a little more information about the 25 foot distance for both Dems and Republicans please.
Read the news, then we will talk.
I am not your personal librarian. It’s been in the news.
Don’t be ignorant.
Is this in every State, or in specific locations? Who set those rules.
You made the allegation, but fail to back it up with factual information.
I guess you are going to be ignorant.
Marbles,
I can’t find any story that confirms what you evidently made up.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/3654639001
Is it in here?
dad29 seems like he is reading conspiracy theory websites. Do you notice that they can’t actually cite any REAL news sources for their claims. Just tell you to look it up yourself, because they don’t exist, and are rumors, and excuses.
Dead people can vote too technically. If I mailed in my ballot in early Oct and then died before the election… I guess that means a dead person can vote.
Dad29, please tell me how Coney and Garland are different. Other than who was president? Both positions were opened up in the last months of an election year. Reps filled theirs and blocked Obamas. Pretty straight forward. Again, they had control and could pull it off… but it is 100% hypocritical based on why they said. Just own up to it and say that they did it because they COULD. And not some BS “The people have a right to decide”. Simple.
Maybe if Trump hadn’t spent the last 2 months decrying mail-in ballots, more of his followers would have used them. My guess is that a small percentage didn’t bother to vote at all instead of taking the time to mail-in. Or maybe if he hadn’t insulted the McCain family, he could have won in AZ instead of lose by a small margin.
Irrelevant, Patsy. EVERY poll watcher with creds MUST be admitted. Troll.
Not in Wisconsin. Read the law.
Yes, the difference was the President. So what? Do you have an ouchie because Trump is President? Can you show us where it hurts? Troll.
By the way, current news: Minnesota couple SWEARS they 1) received one of the 234,000 mass-mailed ballots (they had relocated from WI); 2) called Wisconsin Fraud-Vote HQ (aka Election Commission) in Madison and asked about the status of those ballots, and 3) were told that the ballots had been returned with votes.
Curious–as the ballots these people got were still in their hands in MN.
No fraud. Just fairy tales.
Troll.
dad29 going HARD on name calling. How cutesy and expected. If you like, I can give you a nice long distance hug. You really sound like you need it after the loss this week it looks like your side is going to take. Show me on this doll where the bad man hurt you!
And see, you fully admit that what the GOP did with the Supreme Court was filled with hypocrisy. Simple.
And in regards to your fraud scenario. Proof. Lets see the proof. The massive (20K vote) proof. Until you can produce it, it is nothing more than the fairy tale you speak of. There will be one-off voter mistakes and fraud. On both sides usually.
“EVERY poll watcher with creds MUST be admitted.“
Please provide a citation where this has not happened.
Try Pennsylvania, Pat.
Marbles,
They were admitted.
Yes, acting ignorant again.
Jonny, time for you to stay home from school and let the adults take over. You’ll see plenty of proof over the next 4 weeks, assuming you’re not watching “news” on TeeeeVeee or being buried in fantasy games on your pc.
Every single thing I’ve mentioned above has happened, is illegal, and will be brought out. You’ll have to look it up because all the country’s Pravda outlets will not cover it.
Until Joe goes to his basement for the final time, of course.
Oh dad29. The only thing that Trump loses more than the popular vote is court cases.
I will wait to hear about any of those things.
Tonight we saw a very sad Trump who was confused and defeated. Grasping at straws.
If you think Democrats rigged the election against Trump but lost the Senate, your some kind of stupid.
Better.
Steveegg:
I remember that. I was very disappointed in that Lib’s decision. I thought that past precedent was very clear that Green should have been able to use that money. I have been to several Libertarian conventions and summaries of our talk on the ‘harm Republicans’ subject was simple; basically 2 parts:
1) A three party system is less likely to happen in the US than a 2nd party replacement.
2) Libertarians overwhelmingly think of themselves as real fiscal conservatives. If we are going to replace a party, it would be Republicans. Most of us identify much more closely with the Republican platform of the past, but Republican politicians never delivered.
Many of us thought the Tea Party might be an historic change in the making, but Ted Cruz roped most of them back in to the Republican corral by pretending to be a conservative voice.
So yes, Libertarians will de-stabilize Reps before Dems in my Libertarian opinion. But also in my opinion, we are just getting weaker and weaker. If there was something worth moving towards, I would be tempted to move and I have not participated in recent conventions or meetings.
Jonnyv, I would totally go for an election Holiday, but would you do it for all elections, for primaries or just the Presidential ticket elections? If it was 2 days, I think I would be happy with 2 hours paid leave to be taken anytime during those 2 days. But I would love to see the disappearance of early voting. I do believe it is too easy to abuse.