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1955, 15 Jan 21

Lockdowns Don’t Work

Except to weaken the economy and make hungry people look to government for relief.

A study evaluating COVID-19 responses around the world found that mandatory lockdown orders early in the pandemic may not provide significantly more benefits to slowing the spread of the disease than other voluntary measures, such as social distancing or travel reduction.

 

The peer reviewed study was published in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation on January 5, and analyzed coronavirus case growth in 10 countries in early 2020.

 

The study compared cases in England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and the U.S. – all countries that implemented mandatory lockdown orders and business closures – to South Korea and Sweden, which instituted less severe, voluntary responses. It aimed to analyze the effect that less restrictive or more restrictive measures had on changing individual behavior and curbing the transmission of the virus.

 

The researchers used a mathematical model to compare countries that did and did not enact more restrictive lockdown orders, and determined that there was “no clear, significant beneficial effect of [more restrictive measures] on case growth in any country.”

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1955, 15 January 2021

60 Comments

  1. Jason

    Can’t wait for the mouth breathing liberals to come in and dismiss this because its based on a model.

  2. Mar

    Lockdowns are about power and tyranny. It’s not about science.
    Liberals love dictators and the power they possess.
    Now, some of liberals have the dictatorial power and they are responsible for killing people. Like Cuomo. Like Newsome. Like Whitmer. Like Pritzker. And all the other dictator wannabes.

  3. Le Roi du Nord

    You guys are projecting again. The mouth breathing, science denying Neanderthals are on your side of the aisle. You are flippity flopping again.

  4. Mar

    The sociopath is lying again about me.
    Such an asshole.

  5. Kevin Scheunemann

    Typical liberals. Looking to enslave everyone.

    Nord cheers the liberal slavery.

    No surprise.

  6. Le Roi du Nord

    k:

    Where did I ever cheer liberal slavery? Or any type of slavery?

  7. Mar

    We should lust sociopath”s lies and hateful comments but it would crash the Internet.

  8. Le Roi du Nord

    Somehow this part of the article wasn’t included above;
    “However, the researchers also acknowledged that the study had limitations, and noted that “cross-country comparisons are difficult,” since nations may have different rules, cultures, and relationships between their government and citizenry.”.

    Also omitted (intentionally?), was the reference to other studies that present conflicting data regarding the value og lockdowns.

    Cherry picking data, but including the source material usually don’t bode well.

  9. Mar

    “Where did I ever cheer liberal slavery? Or any type of slavery?”
    You support lockdowns, which is liberal slavery.
    You support climate change reforms which is a form of liberal slavery.
    You support Black Lives Matter and Antifa and their views which is a form of slavery.

  10. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, it isn’t. And I don’t.

    And you have the nerve to call me a liar. Hypocrite, thy name is mar.

  11. Mar

    Yes, you are a first class liar and you support liberal slavery and you have not denied it.
    Which one of those 3 points are wrong?
    You support lockdowns.
    You support BLM and Antifa.
    You believe in the hoax if climate change and rules to combat the hoax.
    So, which one is not true?

  12. Mar

    And I am still waiting for the apologies you me for lying about me.

  13. Le Roi du Nord

    By definition, telling the truth isn’t lying. Get smart.

  14. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    Do you support ineffective lockdowns hurting people?

  15. Le Roi du Nord

    Act like an adult, k.

  16. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    Just asking a straight question.

    Morally upright people, who claim science is important, would answer honestly.

  17. Le Roi du Nord

    In a like vein, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

  18. Mar

    “By definition, telling the truth isn’t lying”
    You wouldn’t know how to tell the truth even if your dog’s life depended on you telling the truth.
    Thank goodness, it hasn’t come down to that yet.

  19. Mar

    Kevin, the sociopath is already on record saying that people are not suffering while on lockdown.
    But if they are suffering, like drug abuse, mental illness, suicidal thoughts, over dosing on drugs, well, it’s their own damn fault.

  20. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    So you don’t want to answer the question? Just reprehensible.

    I’ll answer your reprehensible, godless, question. Answer is: never, because I treat my wife as a precious gift from God and love her as Christ loved the church. I apologize if that is difficult to understand in your broken spiritual condition, living a life without Christ.

    Now, are you in favor of ineffective lockdowns hurting people?

    Your slithering indicates you are in favor of this reprehensible liberal action. Simple moral clarity, the science and human compassion makes the answer easy, but yet you refuse to say it?

    You are against science, against moral clarity and against human compassion?

    That makes you one giant tool for evil.

  21. Mar

    Kevin, the sociopath says he believes and relays on science. Except when it doesn’t fit his narrative.
    Science says lockdowns don’t work, but he wants lockdowns.
    Science says masks don’t work but he still wants mask mandates.
    The fool even believes in the global climate hoax.
    The sociopath either is extremely gullible and stupid or he enjoys people with tyrannical powers.

  22. Le Roi du Nord

    Ok k, you won’t answer either. Guess we are even.

    But if you feel parsing a question is ok, here we go:

    I never have, and still don’t ,support ineffective lockdowns. I do support measures supported by medical professionals, and proven to be effective in reducing the transmission of the disease. I won’t let politics or ideology affect my support. And I have never supported hurting people, unlike the soon to be former administration that has avoided a leadership role, and responsibility for the almost 400,000 deaths attributed to coronavirus.

    Better now?

  23. Le Roi du Nord

    mar:

    I have never said this, “that people are not suffering while on lockdown.”.

    “Science says lockdowns don’t work, but he wants lockdowns.
    Science says masks don’t work but he still wants mask mandates.”

    And we will agree to disagree on these, as, unlike you and k, I’ll keep politics and ideology out of my decision making.

  24. Mar

    You are so full of crap, sociopath.
    You blamed those who are suffering on themselves.
    “I’ll keep politics and ideology out of my decision making”
    Another lie.
    Anything President Trump supported, you opposed,, even when he was right.
    What a pathetic liar.

  25. Le Roi du Nord

    mar:

    You, just like your fearless (Ha!) leader, need to project your mistakes, lies, and fears onto others. In a few more days we will be rid of him, relegated to the darker side of history, and perhaps you will choose to slink away as well. Guess we will have to wait and see, eh ?

  26. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    Why couldn’t you just say you are against ineffective, hurtful lockdowns?

    It is like I have to drag the right thing out of you?

    Why is that?

  27. Mar

    So, the sociopath deflects, his admission that he is a vile, hateful liar.

  28. Mar

    Nope, sociopath, not going to slink away.
    I’m going to enjoy watching a Senile Joe trying to speak, the liberals fight with each other, calling out the hypocrisy of the press and the Supreme Court and Trump judges slap down the liberals.
    Then it will be fun watching Harris servicing Senile Joe in an effort to become president.
    And in 2 years, the Dems will lose Congress.
    Yep, it will be fun to watch.

  29. Le Roi du Nord

    k:

    I gave you an answer. If you don’t like it, I really don’t care. You are no different than trump, projecting your mistakes onto others. Awful, just awful.

  30. Le Roi du Nord

    Joe Biden speaks just fine. He can you complete sentences, doesn’t need to call people names, nor threaten those who won’t violate the law to save his sorry butt.

  31. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    You only gave me an answer after dodging question several times and horribly insulting my wife.

    Why is simple moral clarity of the issue like drilling your molars without anesthetic to you? Maybe you should consider slicing away the vile immorality encrusting your personality.

  32. Mar

    “He can you complete sentences” Apparently, you have a lot in common.
    Both you and Senile Joe are Senile. Both of you cannot write, though Senile can barely speak.
    Maybe you should stop being a a hateful bastard and stop lying to our faces. Maybe if you did that, you might get some respect.
    But until you stop intentionally stop lying, you are going to be treated like you treat us. You’ve decided to disrespect us here and treat us like shit with your hatefulness and lying.
    So, I am going to treat like you treat us.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    I gave you a truthful answer, and unlike you, no politics, ideology, or religion included. And no, I didn’t insult your wife, but did mock your inability to ask a meaningful question. Remember, not everyone is as willfully deceitful and insincere as you are.

  34. Le Roi du Nord

    Correct mar, I made a mistake, and apologize. Unlike you , k and trump, I can admit a mistake.

    And no, I still don’t hate anyone. Not even you.

  35. Mar

    And you lie about me again, you hateful bastard.
    Just pathetic. Even your dog is ashamed of you.

  36. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord,

    Now you outright deny insulting my wife, despite the direct evidence above?

    I am starting to agree with Mar that you are a vile, awful, liar and disgusting human being.

    And no, that denial by you was not an apology to me or my wife. It would be indecent to construe your denial of the vile insult into an apology.

    You say you don’t hate anyone but label my simple question as “insincere” and “deceitful”. The question is neither. I simply asked if you were against hurtful, ineffective lockdowns? It is a simple question. I am sorry if it expised the immorality of who you are.

    I expected some morality to poke through on your part. Clearly I was wrong. Rather than just answering, you had to verbally assault the person asking it, and his wife, for asking the simple question. Only vile, bitter hate on your part can explain that.

  37. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, you are wrong again, in sooooo many ways. My dog loves me, I don’t hate anyone (not even you), and I didn’t lie about you.

    You still attending those anger management classes?

  38. Le Roi du Nord

    k:

    I didn’t insult your wife. Were you capable of critical thought and self-reflection, untainted by bias, ideology and ignorance, you would realize that. You will have to fix your problems on your own.

  39. Kevin Scheunemann

    Give your awful stance here, I am going to have to second every single coment Mar has made about you. You truly are vile.

  40. Mar

    So, sociopath, you lied about to me to my face , you lied about me. You’re a disgrace
    to the the human race
    Your dog just pissed in your coffee because he is so be pissed at you.
    Even your dog disowns you.
    What a pathetic jackass to you are .
    Cannot even tell the truth.
    I really hope you never had any kids as they would have a horrible role model.

  41. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I didn’t “you lied about to me to my face “, as I have met you, and hopefully never will. I have much higher standards for those I associate with. And that, little fella, is the truth.

    And I have two great kids, both well behaved, well educated, and committed to truth, public service, and the rule of law. Just like their dad.

    BTW: I don’t drink coffee.

    There you go, lying about stuff you know absolutely nothing about, just to hear yourself lie. Just like trump.

  42. Le Roi du Nord

    Sorry, insert “never” between have and met, above.

  43. Mar

    Well, sociopath, I don’t know about your pets personal lifestyle. For all I know, you are a pedophile and sleep with giraffes.
    But I do know you are a liar and you have lied about me many times.

  44. Tuerqas

    Le Roi,
    “I won’t let politics or ideology affect my support.”

    Taking this away from the Trump factor where lies and fantasy collide like a fine LSD trip, you may not be lying, but you are wrong. Only taking ‘facts’ from liberal sources means that you are exactly letting politics and ideology affect your support. Just using the US Covid death count as if it was fact is ignoring the inconvenient truth that overall deaths in the US were right on the normal death count curve in 2020 because all other deaths are somehow way down. That is like believing the Chinese numbers on Covid where they haven’t had a single death since April or so.

  45. Le Roi du Nord

    ” I don’t know about your pets personal lifestyle.”

    Yet you make all sorts of false claims about them. Are you channeling your inner trump, or just lying for the sake of lying?

  46. Le Roi du Nord

    T:

    ” Only taking ‘facts’ from liberal sources means that you are exactly letting politics and ideology affect your support.”

    Not true, as I use many sources, read stuff from both sides of the aisle. I’m here talking to you, aren’t I. And this is about as far from a “liberal” source as you can get. Besides, I don’t select facts based on liberal, conservative, or right-wing wackadoodle, but rather on the ability of the source to present information that can be verified. Try it sometime.

  47. Mar

    “Besides, I don’t select facts based on liberal, conservative, or right-wing wackadoodle, but rather on the ability of the source to present information that can be verified. ”
    That’s the sociopath’s codewords for lying.
    Try telling the truth sometime.

  48. Le Roi du Nord

    OK, smart guy, how can I verify your claim that Keith Hernandez is a murderer?

  49. Mar

    And as usual I already admitted to that mistake.
    But like the asshole that you are, you refuse to admit that you lie. Flat out lie about people.
    But just go on being a first class hater and liar that you are.

  50. Le Roi du Nord

    Why should you get that benefit?

    And no, I don’t hate anyone. , not even you after all the lies and hate you have aimed at me.

  51. Mar

    When, sociopath, lie to my face and lie about me, you are a hateful little girl.
    Now, go play with yourself.

  52. Tuerqas

    Le Roi, I believe I try it quite a bit more often than you. Even taking information straight from the bill, the best you could do was say that you agreed to to disagree on one subject. I have argued the ‘liberal’ side of several positions here on Boots. I have never seen you argue the conservative side. And are you saying that you have used information from this site to positively argue a position anywhere else? Have you ever used something from this site to prove a point (that wasn’t ‘conservatives are stupid, nut cases, idiots, or some related term’)?

    I think I’d like to see an example where you cited a ‘conservative’ source here at Boots & Sabers. Heck even just what you consider a neutral site. Of course, I doubt we will agree on that point:).

  53. Mar

    I should have written: When the sociopath writes lies directly about me, when the sociopath post lies constantly, you are a hateful vile person.
    Now, go play with the little boy next door tour house.

  54. Le Roi du Nord

    T:

    Call it “opposition research “, if you want. I have made numerous “positive” comments here, have even agreed with you, k, Owen, and mar in the past. But not since most here have come unhinged first about corona virus , then about the election, and now the capitol riot. I can tolerate and understand differing opinions and view points, but draw the line at those promoting , as kellyanne says, “alternative facts”. In my world the truth still has value and relevance.

  55. Mar

    “In my world the truth still has value and relevance.”
    And world is that sociopath?
    The world of delusion?
    And was the last time we agreed on something?

  56. Le Roi du Nord

    Language still challenging to you, eh mar?

  57. Mar

    That’s all you got, perverted sociopath?
    Proving once again that you lied about me again.
    How many ltlle boys do you play with, sociopath?

  58. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I have much more, but it would be far above your comprehension level.

    So, what lie are you jabbering about now?

  59. Mar

    I’ve already told you, sociopath.
    Apparently, you are too stupid to figure it out.
    Now, go play with the little boys.

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