I love this strategy for several reasons
EXCLUSIVE: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis followed through on his promise to drop off illegal immigrants in progressive states, sending two planes full of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday.
A video provided to Fox News Digital shows the migrants deboarding the planes at Martha’s Vineyard Airport in Massachusetts.
“Yes, Florida can confirm the two planes with illegal immigrants that arrived in Martha’s Vineyard today were part of the state’s relocation program to transport illegal immigrants to sanctuary destinations,” the governor’s communications director, Taryn Fenske, told Fox News Digital.
First, it does logistically and financially help the border states who have carried the burden of Biden’s Bloody Border.
Second, it keeps a spotlight on the issue so that there is pressure to fix the issue.
Third, the continual entertainment of racist liberal hypocrisy who brag about being sanctuaries for illegals when there are 3 of them and panic when there are 50 is fun to watch.
I am fine with the publicity stunt assuming the people being moved are aware of what they are signing up for. Otherwise it borders on kidnapping and illegal trafficking.
It is a useful tactic being used by the southern states…for the reasons outlined in the post….but am curious as to how it’ll effect federal funding for border control. Shouldn’t some of the federal money currently being given to the border states to care for these immigrants&refugees be diverted to those other states who now sharing the responsibility?
federal money currently being given to the border states to care for these immigrants&refugees
Prove to us that Fed “assistance” is equal to moneys spent on these illegals–who are NOT “refugees”, as you very well know.
But by all means, re-direct the money to Martha’s Vineyard. They’ll appreciate the help. If it’s per-cap, it won’t be much, and won’t be missed.
assuming the people being moved are aware of what they are signing up for
This is a “So WHAT?” question. They’re illegals. Where they’re sent is up to the legitimate authorities.
Do you ask a convicted murderer which prison he/she/it would prefer?
You are a genuine source of entertainment!
NYC, a sanctuary city, is exporting some of their alien imports from Texas down to Florida.
A couple of busloads of Texas exports were dropped off in front of the residence of Kamala Harris last night. No comments from the VP as of yet.
Some of these aliens are getting to see quite a bit of America.
>Otherwise it borders on kidnapping and illegal trafficking.
JonnyV, now I have to ask your position on the border. As a liberal do you support an open southern border as the Democrats are largely allowing or are you against the Dems in power on their illegal immigration flood policies? I just find it strange that you would use the phrase illegal trafficking on people who traveled here illegally.
The illegals being shipped are doing it voluntarily. They have to sign papers as such.
As someone who live in a border state, I can see it does affect border states.
From education, they hundreds of job openings in the Yuma area schools, to crime drug running etc.
Bus a couple hundred to Obama’s address. Between the $12M spread on Martha’s Vinyard and the cozy little $8M place in DC… and the fact that they’re nearly empty-nesters… they’ve got some rooms they aren’t using. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind redistributing some of their personal wealth to benefit the new have-nots. The $9M place on Oahu is prolly off-limits though.
Diversity is the Strength of Martha’s Vineyard!!
So my understanding is that they are here LEGALLY seeking asylum.
They initially were told by a woman on the street after asylum in San Antonio that they were going to be sent to Massachusetts and that there was a sanctuary there.
They were lied to, for someone’s political campaign. Damn I hope this bite DeSantos in the ass. Fucking Cruelty.
Dont read this JV, it won’t align with your preconceived angst on this topic.
>Many rightly pointed out that the political point came at the expense of vulnerable migrants who had already been through a tremendously arduous journey — but some of the details of the transport may surprise you. For starters, many of the migrants were appreciative of the ride.
>Anger at the stunts is in part also fed by the idea that the people are being forced onto buses. That is not true, as CNN’s Gary Tuchman found when he visited a shelter in Eagle Pass, Texas, in August.
>He met asylum-seekers planning to meet up with family and friends already spread around the country. Other migrants coming to the US without somewhere to go were happy for the free trip.
Yikes, Liberal rag CNN is saying you’re full of shit.
Jason, I am sure that there are people who understand what they are getting into and ARE appreciative of the free transportation. But if I read correctly on this, these people were tricked with fake promises of work and housing, and told there was a place for them in Boston. Only to be flown to Martha’s Vineyard.
But my favorite part of this story is that the people of MV have banded together to help feed, cloth, and welcome them. Republicans sure know how to make rich democrats look good. And if you want to discourage people from coming into the country, flying them around the country doesn’t seem to be the smartest idea.
And if I was a Floridian, I would probably be PISSED that my government supposedly spent MILLIONS to transport migrants up north that could be used for local problems and solutions. I am old enough to remember when Republicans claimed to be the fiscally responsible party.
JV, you just can’t think of more than one thing at a time, can you?
>And if I was a Floridian, I would probably be PISSED that my government supposedly spent MILLIONS to transport migrants up north that could be used for local problems and solutions. I am old enough to remember when Republicans claimed to be the fiscally responsible party.
Look back up to Owen’s three points at the start of this convo.
Funny also, I’m pretty sure Owen commented back last year about the midnight secret flights of the Biden Admin sending similar people around to to various states… and I don’t recall your protestations then.
>In November, DeSantis said dozens of migrant flights landed in Florida at the behest of the Biden administration…
And if I was a Floridian, I would probably be PISSED that my government supposedly spent MILLIONS to transport migrants up north that could be used for local problems and solutions. I am old enough to remember when Republicans claimed to be the fiscally responsible party.
If I believed that, I would be ASHAMED of my gullibility and lack of intelligence.
Yesterday Twitter was full of outrage that it cost $12 Million to do that. That would be $240,000 per migrant. People asked to source that could only come up with other crap tweets citing that number. Perhaps they were trolled. About closest I came to an explanation (unverified) is that the funding for the flights came from one of those COVID relief slush funds – in this case it was a $12 Million fund, but you would have to be pretty stupid to not read up on how the funds have been expended thus far.
The governor then approved for the program to be funded using $12 million accrued from Florida’s share of the federally funded Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund, appropriated to the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT).
“The Fiscal Year 2022-23 Budget creates a $12 million program within the
Florida Department of Transportation to facilitate the transport of
unauthorized aliens out of Florida,” reads the document available on DeSantis’ official website under the voice “Immigration.”
The statement, however, does not specify how that allocation is distributed on a case-by-case basis.
I assume the Biden flights came with some kind of cost too.
But my favorite part of this story is that the people of MV have banded together to help feed, cloth, and welcome them.
And as we speak, 125 National Guardsmen are moving them to Base Cape Cod. Martha’s Vineyard people not exactly in it for the long haul, are they? “Move on out”, is what they say. Talk about political stunts.
The base is less than 90 miles from Boston. Venezuela to San Antonia is 2600 air miles from San Antonio, TX. San Antonio to Boston is 1700 air miles. Looks like DeSantis has covered about 40% of the journey. Cape Cod to Boston is about 2% of that journey. I assume their journey to the USA was a more intense and harsh than this.
It’s almost as if they will get to Boston in due time. #DeSantisPromiseKept
Democrats intentionally created this illegal immigration mess knowing that their mindless sheep can be relied upon to focus on the rescue rather than the genesis of the problem. This has been the Democrat MO for quite some time now. Create the problem, argue over solutions, then just declare the problem unsolvable. I’ve known three year olds with longer attention spans and critical thinking skills than Democrat voters. They swallow every lie offered as if it came straight from their maker. Is it willful ignorance? How do they not find being treated this way just incredibly insulting?
>If I believed that, I would be ASHAMED of my gullibility and lack of intelligence.
After reviewing the facts, Newsweek has concluded that it’s true that DeSantis allocated $12 million of the state’s budget to transport migrants outside of Florida.
So how ashamed are you that six minutes after saying that, you then pointed out it was actually true?
A recent update helps shed more light on this developing story as well as raising even more questions….
Flying more than 50 refugees from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard is the latest political stunt by Gov. Ron DeSantis using federal tax dollars to build national support for a potential presidential run in 2024, critics said Thursday.
And it may have been illegal
Elizabeth Ricci, an immigration lawyer in Tallahassee, [said] “Under the principles of federalism, the state doesn’t have the authority to enforce any federal laws … and the governor knows this.”
DeSantis’ office confirmed that the state chartered two planes Wednesday to take about 50 Venezuelan and Colombian undocumented migrants that included children from San Antonio, Texas, to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts. No other details were released.
[Taryn Fenske, the governor’s director of press relations] did not respond to requests for more information about the flights but said the money came from a $12 million program approved by the Legislature this year for contractors to move undocumented migrants from Florida to other states.
That money came from the interest earned on $8.8 billion the state received from Washington for statewide coronavirus recovery efforts, according to the state budget.
“These federal dollars were intended for COVID relief, but this is being used for political gain,” said Isabel Vinent, co-executive director of the Florida Immigrant Coalition.
The Orlando Sentinel filed a public records request to provide details of the chartered flights, including the company, the cost, and the staff on board who put the migrants on the planes.
NPR reported that the planes originated in San Antonio, and made stops in Crestview, Florida, and North and South Carolina before flying on to the exclusive island off Cape Cod. Migrants interviewed by NPR said they were lured out of a shelter by a woman named “Perla” who said they were flying them to Boston to have their work papers expedited.
Ricci, the immigration lawyer, also said Florida could be accused of crimes. Under a recent order issued by DeSantis, no company can transport undocumented migrants into Florida, presumably even for a short layover, she said.
If the migrants were lured onto planes under false pretenses, they could apply for visas under the basis they were victims of crimes. She said they could have a “good faith argument” they were induced to board the plane to seek jobs, which would be a violation of the Fraud in Labor Contracting law.
They could also possibly claim they were trafficked, Ricci said. Under federal immigration laws, “traffickers may lure individuals with false promises of employment and a better life,” which is what DeSantis did, Ricci said
As said earlier, lots more questions are now being raised –
If Florida is really facing a crisis then why did they have to get over four-dozen refugees from Texas in order to fill up a plane?
If it turns out what the Governor did was against the law, then does that make him an “illegal”?
What are the connections between the undisclosed airline company and DeSantis?
Who is “Perla” and who is she actually working for? Is she a state worker or a campaign operative for DeSantis?
Hopefully these, and other questions, will be addressed&answered as this story continues to unfolds.
So if I recall from the “Biden Flights”, they flew people to NYC to meet up with relatives and sponsors. A place where they KNEW they were coming, the same thing that Trump did. This is a different scenario. DeSantis just seemingly used FL money for a political stunt. I am not 100% sure on this, but I read that there was a videographer with them to capture the incident. Cool.
Basically he flew people to a location that wasn’t expecting them, not equipped to handled them (unlike FL & TX border cities) under false pretenses, all for a political stunt.
>all for a political stunt
Not just a political stunt, but perhaps also to funnel millions of tax-payer’s money into the pockets of his friends and/or donors.
But we should actually see the connections, if any, between DeSantis and this unnamed private jet company before speculating further….
>Venezuela to San Antonia is 2600 air mile
I would wager most of them walked that route, and did not fly to San Antonio :) What’s another 90 miles? Haha
Purple Pee – also in the article:
Tweets about DeSantis’ expenses to fund the transport of migrants from Florida to more liberal states like Massachusetts, saying the governor has spent $12 million to charter the planes that landed in Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday, are gathering thousands of likes on the social media platform.
What JV said: I would probably be PISSED that my government supposedly spent MILLIONS
“Millions of dollars” has not been spent. Make nuance your friend.
Mark. Millions was NOT spent on this flight. For certain. But Millions has been allocated apparently. And they are wasting it. Again, not exactly the party of fiscal responsibility anymore. When I was younger, I used to say that I was more aligned with Republicans fiscally and Democrats socially. I can’t even say that anymore, for at least 10 years. Sad.
>Purple Pee
OMFG!!! That is hilarious!! Are you a professional stand-up comedian?! With jokes like that you really should have your own sitcom. For real, I bet you crack up all the other dad’s at the neighborhood bbq with that kind of humor. It is so original, how did you manage to come up with it? Do you have any other “pee” jokes?! Please tell me that you have more jokes like this! I’m laughing so hard I can barely breath.
>“Millions of dollars” has not been spent
Damn! The jokes keep coming!! lol…you truly are a funny guy.
>Make nuance your friend.
Great punchline and excellent way to wrap up your lil’ routine! You really should flesh this out into a solid three-four minutes and take this act on the road. You’d make millions on the Conservative Comedy Circuit with jokes like these.
rolls eyes
>So how ashamed are you that six minutes after saying that, you then pointed out it was actually true?
You do know the definition of SPENT, right Penny? Words have meaning Penny as you often try to point out to others. Here’s JV’s actual words..
>And if I was a Floridian, I would probably be PISSED that my government supposedly spent MILLIONS to transport migrants up north that could be used for local problems
Lets focus in a little more
>supposedly spent MILLIONS to transport migrants
MH even clarified his point, which of course, you completely ignored.
>Yesterday Twitter was full of outrage that it cost $12 Million to do that. That would be $240,000 per migrant.
Do try to keep up little guy.
>When I was younger, I used to say that I was more aligned with Republicans fiscally and Democrats socially. I can’t even say that anymore, for at least 10 years.
Are you trying to imply that between the two parties, the Democrats are more aligned with you on fiscal issues? Or that the Republican’s are more aligned with you on social issues? Or did you change and aren’t really “fiscally responsible” now? Were you ever?
I just don’t understand how you can say what you just did. Yeah, the Republicans are almost as bad as the Democrats in some fiscal ways… in others, they are far better. Unless you think the trillions laundered through Ukraine by the Democrats is more fiscally responsible than if R’s were in charge of all three branches today?
my understanding is that they are here LEGALLY seeking asylum.
Your understanding is based on lies. Others ‘understand’ that men can become pregnant.
Heard that DeSantis’ next offload will be in WhiteFolks’ Bay, ZIP 53217!
Were there another 3 hours in the day, one could line-by-line debunk that Orlando Pravda “report.”
Suffice it to say that ‘supposition’ will need 7 full days to recuperate from over-exertion in that screed.
(And we note that Purple Pee cannot refute, so he goes back to Democrat Bar-Fly Playbook #1: try 7th-grade insults.)
>one could line-by-line debunk that Orlando Pravda “report.”
No need to actually do so. The fact that you labeled the newspaper as “Pravda” is probably more than enough proof for most of the folks here.
Now the alleged cost of the charter flight has dropped from $12M to $650,000. Still an insane amount if proven to be correct.
Re: Purple Pee how did you manage to come up with it? You used to post over at Althouse as “Purple Penquin”. I was mostly a lurker, but as I recall you got owned quite often by the more intelligent commenters there.
I live the 2 liberals are complaining about the cost. They may spend $12 million+ on transportation costs but fail to.mention the cost the illegals cost the states ofTexas, Florida and Arizona
Education, law enforcement, social workers, translators etc.
And the two liberals forget to mention what led to these legal transporting of illegals
the complete and total failure of Senile Joe Biden and his puppeteers with regards to the border.
The border is wide open and this was planned. We have had an invasion of over 2 million illegals crossing the border. Plus how many gotta ways have there been? How many thousands?
Not to mention the cartels in Mexico are running the show.
Women are being raped, illegals are dying, children being abused and let’s not forget all the drugs coming over the border. Over 100,000 overdose deaths, a record in the US, let’s not forget about this.
So, Florida and Texas are taking volunteers to sanctuary cities and the liberals cry crocodile tears.
But they don’t give a crap about those people dying, being raped and dying.
Pretty pathetic.
Still an insane amount if proven to be correct.
As Mar alludes to just above, Florida taxpayers spend almost $6.5 billion/year taking care of roughly 1,000,000 illegal aliens. And that’s above what you pay with your fed taxes. Federal dollars for illegal aliens are half what states have to cough up.
The $650k cost of these two flights = $13,000 per illegal. For Florida citizens I’d say that’s a quite bargain.
Then take a look at the over 100 midnight flights Babblin’ Joe has sent from the Texas (first from Dallas, then from smaller city airports to avoid attention) into Florida. Funny how our leftneck whiners never complain or mention them (oh, yes,… but JV “remembers”!).
(Side Bar: nice catch… Purple Pee! Bwa ha ha !)
Then Massachusetts sends TWO soldiers for each illegal to “escort” them to a military base. Let’s talk about kidnapping again, Purple Pee and JonnyV (of WhiteFolks’ Bay, WI)
(Yes, indeed, nice catch!)
Mr. Hoefert – been a looong time since I visited Professor Althouse’s blog. Am tickled that I’m still remembered after all this time – tho am confused about the “owned” remark…is that some sort of slavery joke or something? If so, you might wanna re-tool it before using it in your act again…ain’t no-where as funny as your (now) widely popular scatological quip.
That aside, the “purple” part isn’t a surprise at all – “PurplePenquin” has been my full nickname for over 25 years, not just in various online platforms but its what most folks who know me actually call me by (tho, usually just “penquin” for short) I’ve also been referred to as such in newspaper articles, police reports, and (one time) on protest signs demanding my release from jail. (Those were some interesting days, for sure!)
So I wasn’t questioning where you got that part from – rather it was the “pee” part that was a unexpected surprise. How in the world did you ever come up with such a witty&wise insult? If you’re not already a professional comedian then perhaps you should consider a career change.
Anywhos – speaking of funny, as more details start coming out this whole thing smells funnier & funnier…
About 50 undocumented immigrants, who appear mostly to be from Venezuela, touched down in Martha’s Vineyard in two separate flights, one at 3:12 p.m. and another at 3:30, and made stops in Crestview, Florida, and Charlotte, North Carolina, according to the flight tracking company, FlightAware. The two flights operated by Ultimate JetCharters, which DeSantis said he chartered, originated from Texas, the Martha’s Vineyard Airport director confirmed to 7News BostonWHDH. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott denied any involvement in chartering the flights to Martha’s Vineyard.
As noted earlier, under an order signed by DeSantis no company can transport undocumented migrants into his state. Unless that order has a its not illegal when the governor does it clause, this appears to be a flagrant violation.
Under the $12 million program approved by Florida lawmakers at DeSantis’ urging, the Department of Transportation was supposed to hire a private contractor “to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens from this state.” The money set aside for those contracts came from interest the state earned from federal COVID relief dollars. The Department of Transportation has not said which company it contracted with to perform the work, although such contracts are required to be posted online within 30 days under state law. Generally, a state contract would show who the state is paying to perform a service, how much it is costing Florida taxpayers and any other requirements the state sets for the vendor.
This makes me wonder even more about the connections between DeSantis and this luxury jet company he refuses to name. Am also curious to know if this was a no-bid contract or not. Hopefully we’ll learn more as time goes by.
When announcing his proposal in December to spend money to move migrants out of the state, DeSantis threatened to send them to Martha’s Vineyard. “If you sent them to Delaware or Martha’s Vineyard or some of these places, that border would be secure the next day,” he said at the time.
So DeSantis is saying the border is now secure? Good – glad that problem is solved…
>As noted earlier, under an order signed by DeSantis no company can transport undocumented migrants into his state
You should look at SB 1808… You look like an idiot mentioning it with nothing but copypasta from other uninformed nitwits.
Are you equally or ever more virtuously upset about the 70 Biden flights that landed in Jacksonville without prior notification and coordination? I must missed that from both you and JV.
Speaking of which, JV disappeared real quick.
Umm, I’m not the smartest person in the world, though I am smarter Senile Joe Biden and the fake doctor Fauci, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night I know the difference between transporting illegals into the state of Florida vs transporting illegals out of the state of Florida
Cute Jason, still thinking about me. Sorry, but I am married. I just have better things to do on the weekends than post usually. Except when I am stuck with some insomnia. Seriously… 330, why can’t i sleep!
And as I stated earlier. I am fine with the Biden flights, they were not tricked and lied to. No one was using them as a political prop. Remember that these people are here seeking asylum, LEGALLY.
It is funny that people are so upset about people streaming into this country, but the Republican Party is spineless to actually try and do anything to the businesses actually using their labor. All we see are minor fines that are rarely enforced.
Without immigrant labor, this country’s economy would start to fall apart.
these people are here seeking asylum, LEGALLY.
Sure. They swore that they are being persecuted by their own Government(s) and Biden swore that they were telling’ the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me Beelzebub’.
Y up. Legal, by Democrat standards of ‘harmless perjuries.’
But as a matter of fact, I’ve been an advocate of LEGAL increased immigraion for over 20 years. GWBush was correct: there is no way to finance US spending and debt with the diminishing number of Americans under the age of 50 paying taxes–unless the taxes are dramatically increased.
And LEGAL immigration quotas are problematic; the numbers allowed are not sufficient. Further, LEGAL immigration is currently tilted toward immigrants who are–at least on paper–‘qualified’ as technical specialists, medical specialists, (etc.). Finally, LEGAL immigration is deliberately multi-cultural which has its own very serious problems.
JV remains the typical lefty hypocrite: And as I stated earlier. I am fine with the Biden flights…
Of course you are. You are fine with with Biden spending $1,500,000,000+ flying 400,000+ unverified illegal aliens, not to mention unaccompanied minors, into small blue- collar towns across the country in the dead of night so as not to be seen, but go ape-shit when one illegal-swamped gov sends four dozen to one of the richest enclaves in the country and are “PISSED” he used state tax dollars even when it saved his state hundreds of thousands by doing it.
they were not tricked and lied to
You wanna document how you know that, or are you, like BirdBrain, just regurgitating NPR and MSM propaganda?
BirdBrain has only one curious eyeball: This makes me wonder even more about the connections between DeSantis and this luxury jet company
See: MVM, Inc.
>Without immigrant labor, this country’s economy would start to fall apart.
You are amplifying unproven myths. Should you be deplatformed like people on the Right are?
>they were not tricked and lied to.
How do you know that? Which of them have you talked to?
>Remember that these people are here seeking asylum, LEGALLY.
Can you prove that to us, here?
>No one was using them as a political prop.
Ah, here’s the real rub for you… The fact that your political opponents *might* be benefiting on the side from this action… That s what chafing your panties. Got it, that confirms what we all know about you.
>I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night I know the difference between transporting illegals into the state of Florida vs transporting illegals out of the state of Florida
One flight took off from San Antonio and made a stop in Florida and South Carolina before landing in Martha’s Vineyard. The second flight also stopped in Florida, but made another stop in Charlotte, North Carolina, before landing in Martha’s Vineyard
So?
>One flight took off from San Antonio and made a stop in Florida and South Carolina before landing in Martha’s Vineyard. The second flight also stopped in Florida, but made another stop in Charlotte, North Carolina, before landing in Martha’s Vineyard
I guess I have to say it again… “You should look at SB 1808… You look like an idiot mentioning it with nothing but copypasta from other uninformed nitwits.”
Of all his different schticks, the Broken-Record-That-Constantly-Skips is one of my least favorites.