Hopefully more corporations will stick to business instead of using their platforms to wage culture war on over half of the population.
“I am announcing today that we are expanding the call of what they are going to be considering this week. And so yes, they will be considering the congressional map but they also will be considering termination of all special districts that were enacted in Florida prior to 1968, and that includes the Reedy Creek Improvement District,” DeSantis said Tuesday, referring to Disney’s district.
The Florida Senate passed the bill in a 23-16 vote, and it’s expected to go to the House swiftly for a vote by Thursday.
If passed by the House and signed into law, it would terminate the special district that Walt Disney World uses to operate as its own municipality and could set up a court battle over the theme parks’ future.
My favorite part of this is the unintended (maybe not) consequences that this will end up having for the people of FL. It sounds like it could raise taxes up to $2000 per family due to the additional local services that will need to be filled now. Increased taxes with no positive gain on it.
This seems like a very spiteful bill without thinking everything thru.
And honestly, I don’t know if I would want to make an enemy out of one of the largest businesses in the world. I eagerly await how this plays out in FL.
But don’t businesses already stick their noses in how government is run. Don’t they have a right to voice an opinion under the first amendment.l? Think Citizens United.
Plus Disney voiced their opinion after the bill was already passed. It’s not like they had any sway in the bill.
You’re right Pat, some businesses do, but they lobby on their companies behalf.
But Disney was particularly egregious in this matter.
First, they stayed neutral but then the woke crowd spoke up and Disney changed its stance.
Then they misrepresented what the bill was about. It wasn’t about not saying gay in schools but about not teaching sex Ed to K-3 school kids.
Then videos showed up, mostly on Tic Tok about teachers bragging about talking about teaching and talking sex with very young kids.
Finally, I think conservatives are using as the sacrificial lamb, basically stating, if you support radical ideas, this is what will happen to you, we will fight back.
Disney wasn’t lobbying government. Disney gave an opinion after the bill had been passed, as is their first amendment right. Now, retaliation by a vengeful, bitter, governor who didn’t like their opinion. Sounds like cancel culture.
Pat, everyone decries cancel culture, until their side is the one participating in it. Then they look the other way.
Mar, the funniest part about this is that while it will be an inconvenience to Disney, now having to pass things thru a board to get certain improvements and hotels built. My understanding is that this is a 163 MILLION dollar tax CUT for them. Disney actually levys an additional tax on themselves. If this is to pass, it is illegal for them to do that. They run their own fire & sewer departments.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/end-reedy-creek-disney-wont-pay-more-taxes-you-will/3TK6ASNJT5EXHICW3DQ3ZHEZYA/
Honestly, what is going to probably happen is that Desantos will claim this as some culture victory now, and before this actually goes into effect, Disney and FL will make some NEW arrangement for Reedy Creek. It is all optics and culture war stuff for the GOP in FL.
Pat, I never said Disney lobbied for or against the bill.
Johnny, that’s a fallacy that their taxes are going down, mainly because it is unknowable right now. Then when you include user fees, permits etc.
But I think you’re right about the agreement, especially if tgey get rid of the current CEO. He has no credibility with anyone now. Thing might change if Igar comes back.
Children are a universally protected class of little people regardless of ethnicity or socioeconomic status. You just don’t mess with other people’s children. You don’t fail to protect them. You don’t fail to educate them. There’s a price to pay if you do. If you don’t intrinsically possess the requisite morality to protect children, then legislation resulting in criminal consequences becomes necessary. That’s where we are.
I don’t know if I would want to make an enemy out of one of the largest businesses in the world.
Disney is not going to pick up all their sticks and move to Georgia.
As to the $2K tax hike? Maybe, maybe not. Don’t forget that Disney will also be paying property taxes. Lots of wheels in motion here.
Don’t forget, corporations are people and government should respect their free speech. Not punish companies who’s speech they don’t like.
Dad29. I don’t expect them to move their billion dollar playland. That would be nutty. Oh, and Disney already pays property tax to 2 different counties. All I am saying is that a company who makes BILLIONS a year, being on the bad side of that could cost you. If they wanted to start throwing around some REAL cash into elections, they could. Citizen’s United at all.
As I stated earlier. I don’t honestly think that the residents of FL will see a big tax hike. It just doesn’t make sense. They will get most of it situated and Disney will probably come out ahead somehow.
“Disney already pays property tax to 2 different counties”
I don’t think that’s true. They pay their propert taxes to the Reddy Creek government.
Pat, it’ happens all the time. Look at the watch hunt in Congress over the January 6th protests.
Pat, you are really being disingenuous because the left has been dumping and boycotting conservative companies for many years. NYC tried to cancel President Trump and his companies because of his supposed actions and wordz and you were silent.
So, when, when you condemn NYC and their actions against Trump and his organizations, I’ll take you at word that you sincerely mean what you say.
Florida lt. Gov. said, “ We might back off Disney if they changed their politics”.
I’m just trying to imagine what folks on the right would say if a liberal politician said they might back off Hobby Lobby if they changed their politics.
So, Pat, taking a pass on the Trump situation. Umm, ok.
As far as Hobby Lobby, if they started to back education that grooms kids for pedophiles,I would expect them to be pissed.
Mar, you’ll need to enlighten me on the NYC effort to cancel Trump. Sorry, but I’m truly not up to date on his legal issues in NYC.
No problem.
After January 6th, the mayor, DeBlasio canceled the contracts that the Trump company had with NYC, including a skating rink and a golf course. If I remember right, NYC lost in court in both cases and the Trump company is still running these venues.
DeBlasio canceled the contracts saying Trump had something to with the January 6th protests. But DeBlasio violated the contracts and judges have ruled he was wrong.
From my understanding these venues were owned by the city and had contracted with the Trump organization to operate them. After January 6, tournaments were pulling out of Trump owned property’s due to not wanting to be associated with the Trump brand. NYC was afraid that their venues would be impacted the same as the Trump properties were, so attempted to nullify their contract with the Trump organization. The court ruled that the contract would stand. I’m attaching a link about it.
Personally if I had a business I wouldn’t want it to be associated with Trump either if it was going to hurt my business.
The difference is Florida doesn’t own Disney and the Governor is not trying to protect Disney but rather trying to hurt Disney out of vengeance. DeBlasio was attempting to protect the businesses from negative impact.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/04/08/judge-lets-trump-keep-running-nyc-golf-course-after-city-tried-to-cancel-contract-after-jan-6-riot/amp/
NYC was afraid that their venues would be impacted the same as the Trump properties were,
Uh-huh.
They made up a crappy excuse (prospective gains/losses) to cover the fact that deBlasio couldn’t stand Trump.
But let’s move away from Trump. We note that the PoopyPants Administration is attempting to remove the ‘religious objection’ clause from MD’s and RN’s to force them to mutilate children whose Mommies think they should not be girls/boys.
It’s a political position to push these surgeries, NOT a medical one. Yet I don’t see you objecting to politics being jammed down the throats of believers.
Dad, link please.
Sorry, Pat, but DeBlasio and it was really just DeBlasio, sought vengeance on the properties for political reasons and nothing more. DeBasio never revoked liberal companies from doing business with NYC.
And Trump management won.
And this is no different than Florida except, Disney is supporting pedophiles and the woke left. If you want to teach sex ed to K-3 graders, and I really hope you don’t, why would you want that?
If you want to be scared, look at Libs of Tik Tok and what the teachers and some administrators have to say. It is quite scary and I don’t get scared easily.
Look at the Tk Tot site
Oh, and Jihnny, you link quotes a Democrat and liberal point of view by quoting a Democrat official. Not that reliable.
Well, let me rephrase this because since Owen changed the web site, it is difficult to see what I am writing…
Johnny, the article you cited was sourced by a liberal Democrat tax official. It’s really not a good source.
Of course, maybe my problem was my beer of the day, but the web site is difficult to write in because the letters you write are so faint in color.
Mar, TikTok, really? And you chastised me about Twitter. WOW!
Mar, Who owned the properties?
If you owned a business would you want a person who’s considered to be a toxic individual associated with it?
Here’s your link, Mar: https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-hhs-rolls-back-religious-conscience-protections-for-doctors/
If you owned a business would you want a person who’s considered to be a toxic individual associated with it?
You just made the case for DeSantis, as Disney’s LBGTQXYZABC grooming is “toxic”.
Dad you choose to ignore the fact that DeSantis doesn’t own Disney.
You’re point, Pat?
The State of Florida does have the right to revoke the special government status,Reddy Creek, as they see fit.
But again, you have different views when it comes to conservatives and liberals.
Please stay consistent.
I might also add, Pat, you have a CEO based out of California complaining about Florida law.
That would be like a FIB from Illinois trying to tell Wisconsin what to do. Well, that’s not going to go so well.
Mar’s right. The State of Florida owns Florida. Its legislature and executive have a great deal of latitude on how to manage land in that State.
And Disney is toxic as can be right now. In contrast, Trump didn’t groom 5-year-olds for perversion.
It sounds, Mar, that you find it acceptable for the Republican controlled government in Florida to retaliate against a business, in Florida, for disagreeing with a policy. The CEO based in California argument is a Red Herring. The State is choosing to punish a Florida business for exercising it’s Constitutionally protected right of free speech, not a CEO in California.
Sorry, Pat, until you condemn NYC for breaking contracts with the Trump companies, you have no creditability whatsoever ever to even discuss this matter.
The State is choosing to punish a Florida business for exercising it’s Constitutionally protected right of free speech,
Here’s how New York City would spin it, Pat:
“We decided that 50 years of tax-breaks were enough and decided that Disney should pay its fair share, because Florida tourism will suffer due to Disney’s toxic statements.”
That’s DeBlasio-talk modified for the occasion.
So Pat, how do you want to eat your crow? Well-done, or BBQ?
Oh, Dad, NYC would first shut down Disney because of Covid, then when it reopened 2 years later, everyone would have to mask up and only allow a certain number in the park.
Then, there the bribes to satisfy the building inspectors and other government officials
Coals. Them you would l d have AIC protesting against you. Then the environmental activists who would protest you.
And city vouncil.members demanding their bribes. And the land prices for a thousand acres or so.
Comparing NYC and Disney is comparing apples and oranges. Do better.
Comparing NYC and Disney is comparing apples and oranges
True. That’s why I compared NYC and Florida.
Do better.
Lefty equivalent of “I got nothin'”.
“Comparing NYC and Disney is comparing apples and oranges.”
You’re wrong, Pat. It’s like comparing hell and heaven, with New York being hell.
Patsy claims she is : “….just trying to imagine what folks on the right would say if a liberal politician said they might back off Hobby Lobby if they changed their politics.”
Stealing someone else’s exact words and making them yours is so…. Bidenesque. Nice job.
Patsy claims: “ Disney wasn’t lobbying government. Disney gave an opinion after the bill had been passed…”
False. Disney CEO Chapek admitted his lobbyists were working state legislators “from the outset”, confirmed by said legislators. Furthermore, Chapek called DeSantis directly before DeSantis signed the bill.
Pasty claims: “ The difference is Florida doesn’t own Disney and the Governor is not trying to protect Disney but rather trying to hurt Disney out of vengeance. DeBlasio was attempting to protect the businesses from negative impact.”
The difference is contract versus legislation. The former cannot be changed on a personal whim. The latter is changed by majority vote.
Patsy circles backwards: “ Dad you choose to ignore the fact that DeSantis doesn’t own Disney.”
Yet you choose to ignore the fact that Deblasio didn’t own NYC’s skating rink.
Pasty circles around: “ The State is choosing to punish a Florida business for exercising it’s Constitutionally protected right of free speech”
Wrong, on several points.
1) Disney is not a Florida business, 2) it is not punishment to end tax breaks given 55 years ago to one specific company, thereby leveling the playing field with other businesses operating in Florida – including other theme parks like Universal, Busch Gardens, Sea World, 3) no one has taken Disneys right of free speech away.
Indeed, Disney has doubled-down on their promise to continue grooming children – in cartoons, in films, on TV, and at the Magic Kingdom – with the added incentive of $5,000,000 given to independent perverts who whole heartedly want to continue to play their perversions upon kids.
What is hilarious is seeing all you bluecoats now screaming, “corporate welfare is good!”. What isn’t so funny is all of you being exposed as sick fucks.
Well summarized MJM – as usual. The only thing you missed…. the Liberal credo from the recent past “Elections have consequences”. I remember Patsie writing that many times.
Man, do you guys on the right just get a some sort of talking points for arguments? Constantly calling it “grooming”. By that measure there are 49 OTHER states that are grooming children and you are doing NOTHING about it.
The bill directly states that teaching and discussing sexuality is off the table for K-3rd grade. No one was TEACHING sexuality at that age. Of course there was probably some discussion about it because kids are curious. If I were a teacher, EVERY SINGLE book I assigned would have 2 mommies or 2 daddies in it from this point on. Let parents deal with that.
And once again, I will sit back and laugh as the GOP fights culture wars they can’t and wont win in the long run. How is that gay marriage fight going for you? I see kids 12 and up (that is my son’s age, so my reference point) these days that are completely accepting of other people and children who identify as “they/them”, nonbinary, or identify as the opposite sex like it is totally normal. It makes me proud. And this is how they will grow up, and it will be as normal as interracial marriage, working moms, homosexuality, or gay marriage. It’s almost as if the more that the churches push back against acceptance of others, the fewer people want to identify with them. Hmmmm.
Science and technology are developing at such a high rate, I can’t wait to see what people are able to do with their bodies in 30-50 years, and how the throwback fringe will react to it.
>What isn’t so funny is all of you being exposed as sick fucks.
Yep.
“I see kids 12 and up (that is my son’s age, so my reference point) these days that are completely accepting of other people and children who identify as “they/them”, nonbinary, or identify as the opposite sex like it is totally normal. It makes me proud. And this is how they will grow up, and it will be as normal as interracial marriage, working moms, homosexuality, or gay marriage. ”
Aww, I LIKED women’s volleyball. Soon all we’ll get is Men’s volleyball and women with penises volleyball. Hooray?
I am for teaching acceptance, but I have been around kids most of my life and one thing is consistent. All kids go through an extensive questions phase and a rebellious phase in that order, and they are very suggestible during those ages and phases. So we give them all the idea to experiment being the opposite sex, tell them all about it and make room for accepting it in school, thereby guaranteeing a very significant percentage will do it just because teenage hormones screw up your brain.
I bet we could glorify suicide in school and increase suicide by 20% among school age children. It is not always whether you can change a child’s opinion with school, but whether we should. And when.
TUERQAS, I think some of what you say may be correct about the influence and rebelliousness of teenage kids. There will be some portion that are confused about their identity, try things out and go back. There may be some that do it JUST to piss off their parents (probably not many). Did we ever see that with kids in the past and homosexuality? Were kids just “trying out being gay” in high school to rebel against their parents? If not, what makes you think that kids will identify as a different sex?
Speaking OF suicide, trans kids have a higher rate of attempted suicide than your cis-child. This is where we get into the acceptance phase. Similar to gay kids in the past, there is still a level of unacceptance by peers and adults that is extremely difficult. And depending on where you grow up in the US, there is a lot more and less acceptance.
Don’t know JonnyV. I graduated WBWHS in 1981. In 1979, I found out one of my closest friends (fab 5) was gay, knew him intimately (in the platonic sense) for 2 years, and found out only when he graduated. I felt a little betrayed that he didn’t trust me enough to tell me, but he went across country for College and I never saw him again. None of us saw him again, though 2 of us, Carl and Crystal did know.
Homosexuality was not talked about much at all when I went to school, certainly not by teachers. The new wave of alleged acceptance is after my school time. Now my friend obviously knew earlier than many and I want those like him to be accepted, but I do think many lonely children are simply looking for acceptance and friendship.
Liberal schools pushing lonely children towards the latest liberal culture target sickens me a bit. Because you bet, I believe votes are the true underlying purposes for most Democrat ’causes’. They go for every minority disenfranchised group they can find and have branched out heavily into the developing young people demographic to twist them into model Democrats while still developing mentally and physically. And what have they done with their oldest disenfranchised group, the black minority? They have crammed them into ghettoes continually giving enough handouts to keep them poor and grouped to win many of the larger city centers across the nation. They run those cities with overwhelming majorities and yet black lives never improve (BLNI is the ‘behind closed doors’ acronym that Dem politicians use, not BLM).
The next stage is to add the rest of the non-wealthy Americans into the same mold, one minority at a time. Dems cry out that the Republicans are the party of the rich, but it is dem/liberal elitist policies that drive larger and larger spikes, dividing the super wealthy from the rest of us.
The last time I checked, blacks were 12.5% of the US population and the LGBTQ community was was under 5%. If you watch TV, a wholly owned subsidiary of the liberal elitists, you would believe that blacks are at least 25% of the population and at least 1 out 4 people/couples are LGBTQ. Could you imagine ‘Friends’ on TV with 5 white people in 2022? 100% chance of one or two blacks, one other minority and at least one LGBTQ person out of 5.
Don’t bother asking about the past with most of us here at B&S, it has changed drastically and there is no apples to apples comparison from a 1980s HS to a 2020s HS. Except maybe male jocks that identify as male…they haven’t changed much.
trans kids have a higher rate of attempted suicide than your cis-child. This is where we get into the acceptance phase. Similar to gay kids in the past, there is still a level of unacceptance by peers and adults that is extremely difficult
Oh.
The suicide is OTHER people’s fault, eh?
You are an IT consulting kinda guy, right? So if one of your clients wants to install package ABCZ on their servers and you know with certainty that it will blow up their system inside of 1 year, what do you say to your customer?
Do you tell them the truth, no matter how much that may hurt their feeeeeeelings? Or do you let them self-destruct?
Your casual dismissal of What. Is. is either trolling, or a serious indicator of horrific trouble for this society. Truth counts; ask your customer (above) after his server farm is a smoking ruin.
JV screams : “ …and you are doing NOTHING about it.”
Your bubble is thick.
Across the county parental uprising against kiddie porn and sexual indoctrination (not to mention CRT) in schools is taking place, even in deep blue Kalifornia. School boards and administrations are being sued, members ousted by exposure or votes. You can start with Loudoun County VA and work you way west to Sacramento.
JV sees no evil: “ No one was TEACHING sexuality at that age.”
Riiiiight. . And Drag Queen Story Hour for 5-year olds at the local library is just a myth.
JV is just dumb:” How is that gay marriage fight going for you?“
Marriage requires being of legal age. This discussion is about toddlers to preteens.
JV questions himself: “ …. like it is totally normal.”
Interesting how you phrased that. A hint that somewhere deep in that twisted mind of yours even you know that it is not normal.
JV beams: “ It makes me proud.”
I wonder how proud you will be when your 12-year old comes home and says, “Dad! I gave my first blow job today! Just like school taught! My gym teacher said I did a great job!”
JV fails reason: “Speaking OF suicide, trans kids have a higher rate of attempted suicide than your cis-child.”
And the rate has increased over the last 10 years. Even while you claim all your son’s peers accept all the mental illness as “normal”. So why would that be?
Might it be the adults – the groomers – who push and prod and force their own sexual agenda upon these impressionable kids, telling them what they are when, in fact, they aren’t?
Oh, no. That can’t be. Public schools and teachers are unassailable. They are “experts” in all things.
Except reading comprehension. And math. And history. And geography.
But that’s ok, because sex sex sex is so much more important to teach.