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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — An offer of NATO membership to territory under Kyiv’s control would end “the hot stage of the war” in Ukraine, but any proposal to join the military alliance should be extended to all parts of the country that fall under internationally recognized borders, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a broadcast interview.
Zelenskyy’s remarks on Friday signaled a possible way forward to the difficult path Ukraine faces to future NATO membership. At their summit in Washington in July, the 32 members declared Ukraine on an “irreversible” path to membership.
However, one obstacle to moving forward has been the view that Ukraine’s borders would need to be clearly demarcated before it could join so that there can be no mistaking where the alliance’s pact of mutual defense would come into effect.
“You can’t give an invitation to just one part of a country,” Zelenskyy said in an excerpt of the interview with Sky News. “Why? Because thus you would recognize that Ukraine is only that territory of Ukraine and the other one is Russia.”
First, Russia, and more specifically, Putin, will not stand for it. Ukraine joining NATO is a red line for him and the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO helped precipitate this war. To understand why, look at a map. For centuries, Russia has feared invasion from the West. That fear is not without basis. See: Adolphus, Napoleon, Hitler, and many others who would have liked to try.
Russia’s western border is very long with few natural boundaries. To counter this, Russia’s traditional foreign policy has been to create and manage a buffer zone by conquering territory or leveraging allied buffer states. It has been this way for centuries.
Ukraine has a long border that juts into the southwest corner of Russia. Russia, and more specifically, Putin, views a NATO country that close to Moscow to be an existential threat. You may disagree with the argument that Putin’s fears are unfounded because NATO is a defensive organization. Your disagreement does not matter to Russia. Put yourself in their shoes. If China or Russia formed a military alliance with Canada or Mexico, we’d be a bit skittish too.
Second, there is nothing but downside for NATO countries to allow Ukraine to join. That math may have been a bit different before the war, but we must deal with the realities before us. Ukraine’s military capacity has been severely depleted. They bring nothing to the alliance. Instead, Ukraine would be outsourcing their military defense to the other NATO countries. They would be a military welfare state.
At the same time, allowing Ukraine into NATO dramatically increases the threat of a violent confrontation with Russia. See above. Put together, Ukraine joining NATO would obligate NATO countries to defend it while increasing the likelihood of needing to do so. It may not happen right away, but it will happen. The geopolitical realities don’t change even if we reach a temporary peace in Ukraine. It’s all upside for Ukraine. It’s all downside for every other NATO country.
Zelenskyy is looking for a way out of the war with the prospect of the military gravy train drying up. We should not let the prospect of a near-term peace doom us to a long-term war with a nuclear power.
Ukraine would be outsourcing their military defense to the other NATO countries.
Just as NATO largely outsources its defense to the US. Trump has to consider withdrawal from NATO.
Dad, don’t you remember the headlines and the liberal tards posting here when Trump was president… Remember he said “If NATO countries are not going to contribute more, he was going to pull out of NATO”.
And that turned into “Trump is trying to dismantle NATO” by the taling heads and by sponge brained simps like jv and that grumpy old northwoods fool. The lies spread by the left between Jan 2017 and Jan 2021 are the largest falsehoods ever spread by government officials in the history of this planet.
>First, Russia, and more specifically, Putin, will not stand for it.
Pussy.
>Russia’s western border is very long with few natural boundaries. To counter this, Russia’s traditional foreign policy has been to create and manage a buffer zone by conquering territory or leveraging allied buffer states.
Who the fuck cares?
>Putin, views a NATO country that close to Moscow to be an existential threat.
Canada is pretty close to Washington DC… does that change anything? When did you turn into a complete bitch?
>At the same time, allowing Ukraine into NATO dramatically increases the threat of a violent confrontation with Russia.
Was it easy to turn in your man card? Asking for a friend.
You’re all over the place here Owen, it’s not a good look, and I’m concerned for you. I’m all for stopping the laundering of money through Ukraine, but stating there are requirements and artificial lines to be drawn prior to admittance is a cunt move. You should support the move to pardon Hunter while you’re at it.
Postwar Ukraine might find it easier to become a member state of the European Union rather than NATO. The EU has spent heavily (for them, anyway) the past decade on building mutual defense of their 27 individual member states. Some of those states, like Ukraine, are former Russian satellites. Their combined active duty standup strength is only shy of the USA’s total by about 100,000… and exceeds Russia’s by about 400,000. Coordinated use of all those assets is the objective, but just like NATO, the individual member state politics present constant obstacles. They have various standing rapid response units, but not a single, combined military force. That’s a monumental task, but at least they’re making an effort.